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Scary article . . . . Sheriffs want to decide what's "evil".

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rtgator, Aug 21, 2023.

  1. rtgator

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    This is one of the scariest articles I've ever read . . . Apparently, Trump insurrectionists are getting organized in law enforcement.

    "“The sheriff is supposed to be protecting the public from evil,” the chief law enforcement officer for Barry County, Michigan, said . . . "When your government is evil or out of line, that’s what the sheriff is there for, protecting them from that.”

    NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. That is NOT what your oath of office says. You do not get to decide what is "evil". You enforce the laws as written! Period.

    (There may be rare exceptions, but your preferred candidate losing an election is NOT one of them.)

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  2. tampagtr

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    That's the same "Constitutional Sheriff" argument that Wayne Ivey uses. It's nonsense, and dangerous.
     
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  3. Sohogator

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    Just looking at that mouth breathing troglodyte I can tell he’s got a room temperature IQ.
     
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  4. GatorFanCF

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    100% with your last paragraph. And, if you believe this is a trait solely of “Trump insurrectionists” you are hopelessly deluded.
     
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  5. rtgator

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    Probably not "solely" Trump insurrectionists.

    However, from the article . . . . It is "part of what Mary McCord, a former federal prosecutor and executive director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown University, called a “broader insurrectionist ideology” that has gripped the nation since the 2020 presidential election."
     
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  6. Contra

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    So, if you lived in Nazi Germany, then you would have went right along with the Holocaust? Or if you lived in Xinjiang, then you would obey Xi Jinping’s orders against the Uyghurs?
     
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  7. rtgator

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    These Sheriff's are the ones posing that kind of threat on behalf of dear leader Trump. They are mobilizing for Trump or his successor. This fits with all the other crap Trump is doing to overthrow our democracy.

    Regarding your second scenario . . . .

    "Or if you lived in Xinjiang, then you would obey Xi Jinping’s orders against the Uyghurs?"

    According to John Bolton, Trump's NSA, Donald Trump told Xi that he did "exactly the right thing" with the concentration camps.

    Trump told China's president that building concentration camps for millions of Uighur Muslims was 'exactly the right thing to do,' former adviser says
     
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  8. orangeblue_coop

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    Blue Lives Matter sheep who kiss police ass on here will love this
     
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  9. rtgator

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    Bolton says Trump told Xi to keep building concentration camps. Trump probably relished the chance to practice being a dictator with his pal Xi.

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  10. gator_lawyer

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    I am actually sensitive to the argument that government officials should be able to refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws, but that assumes they have actual attorneys advising them. That isn't this sort of situation.
     
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  11. exiledgator

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    This is the problem right here. People think the left is literally getting ready to exterminate them, so they are justified in any and all actions regardless of legalities.

    I struggle to comprehend it, but I know it's real.
     
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  12. rtgator

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    You may be right. But they've been thoroughly brainwashed by Trump's LIES. A recent poll shows they believe Trump, the biggest LIAR this nation has ever seen, more than their family, friends and pastors (who may also be brainwashed by Trump).
     
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  13. Sohogator

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    In a manner of speaking they’re exterminating themselves. Just taking way too long
     
  14. rtgator

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  15. lacuna

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    It's a result of projection leading to self fulfilling prophecy.

    What Is a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?.

    "Some examples of self-imposed prophecies include believing you will do poorly on an exam and then failing the test, or thinking that you won't get the job and then not getting it. In both cases, your beliefs influenced your behavior and performances, contributing to the expected outcome coming to pass.

    "Reading your horoscope and believing you will have a terrible day based on its predictions is an example of other-imposed prophecies. Parents who believe their children will not succeed academically may cause their predictions to come true by placing little emphasis on academics."

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    Self-Fulfilling Prophecy - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics.


    L. Jussim, in International Encyclopedia of the Social & Behavioral Sciences, 2001

    A self-fulfilling prophecy occurs when an originally false social belief leads people to act in ways that objectively confirm that belief. This article presents an overview of 50 years of research on self-fulfilling prophecies. First, some of the controversies surrounding Rosenthal and Jacobson's (1968) finding that teacher expectations influence student IQ are described. Those controversies have led to several modern lines of research—including meta-analysis, studies of the self-fulfilling nature of social stereotypes, research comparing the extent to which self-fulfilling prophecy vs. accuracy characterizes naturally occurring social perception, and a search for conditions strengthening and weakening self-fulfilling prophecies. Modern research has also begun investigating the role of self-fulfilling prophecies in close relationships (such as parent–child, college roommates, and romantic couples). Underexplored areas offering fertile ground for future self-fulfilling prophecy research are identified, as are some of the ways existing self-fulfilling prophecy research contributes to understanding relations between social beliefs and social reality.


    Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

    R. Rosenthal, in Encyclopedia of Human Behavior (Second Edition), 2012

    Abstract
    Self-fulfilling prophecy, also known as interpersonal expectancy effect, refers to the phenomenon whereby a person's or a group's expectation for the behavior of another person or group serves actually to bring about the prophesied or expected behavior. The history and diversity of this area of inquiry shows that the expectations of psychological researchers, classroom teachers, judges in the courtroom, business executives, and health care providers can unintentionally affect the responses of their research participants, pupils, jurors, employees, and patients. Meta-analytic procedures are used to evaluate the social importance of the magnitudes of the obtained effects.
     
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  16. Contra

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    I’ll admit I did not read the article, but I am sympathetic to the point that a lower magistrate should not be forced to do something evil by an upper magistrate. Pretty much everyone would agree with some kind of insubordination in the scenario where Hitler tells the sheriff to exterminate the Jewish population in his area. That scenario underscores the general principle that the government loses its authority when it commands people to do evil.
     
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  17. danmanne65

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    There is a slight difference between genocide and raising taxes to pay for a social program.
     
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  18. Contra

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    100% agree with that. Taxes are not the same thing. Nonetheless, I think we should be very careful in propagating the idea that the government’s power is boundless to command us to do anything whether it is good or evil. That is a dangerous overcorrection. It is beliefs like that that lead to the Holocaust in Germany or the genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjang.
     
  19. dangolegators

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    I think this guy definitely would have gone along with the Holocaust:

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  20. Contra

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    Why do you think that?