Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

The GOP: A wholly owned subsidiary of Russia

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorchamps960608, Aug 19, 2023.

  1. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

    4,520
    942
    2,463
    Jul 4, 2020
    Trump this week: "I was the apple of Putin's eye."

    Rommy Swammy this week: "Our goal shouldn't be for Putin to lose" in Ukraine.

    DuhSantis: Ukraine is a territorial dispute.

    To quote any garden variety republican: If you love it so much, why don't you move there?
     
    • Winner x 4
    • Come On Man x 2
    • Like x 1
    • Dislike x 1
    • Off-topic x 1
  2. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    • Off-topic Off-topic x 1
  3. slocala

    slocala VIP Member

    3,302
    784
    2,028
    Jan 11, 2009
    The other thread on DeSantis and heritage foundation is very telling. These guys are all manufactured spokesmen for a think tank. They are gaming out America in an isolationist posture. We went from Woodrow Wilson to George W. Bush and now there is apparently buyers remorse for being the leaders of democracy. Odd.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  4. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    WWI, WWII, Vietnam … which is the War Party, really ?
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  5. BLING

    BLING GC Hall of Fame

    8,948
    882
    2,843
    Apr 16, 2007
    More indirect blowback from W’s folly in Iraq methinks, that gave so much energy to the populism on the right, at least when it comes to national security issues (the hollowing out of the middle class has made the GOP far more isolationist and liberal on economics as well).

    I wonder how many of the assholes going all Isolationist against Russian aggressions with zero U.S. boots on the frontlines, were in the mid 2000’s enjoying their “freedom toast” and attacking anyone not on board with Bush’s folly? Maybe some younger conservatives that have only known the post W isolationist view (the populism that resulted, almost like anti-war liberals… fair enough… that’s all they’ve known), but for all the older conservatives and politicians “wrong” on both issues - full throated support of Iraq invasion vs. cowtowing to Russia in Ukraine… well… they can pretty well eff off.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. PITBOSS

    PITBOSS GC Hall of Fame

    7,914
    829
    558
    Apr 13, 2007
    it’s odd the admiration and fealty Trump has for putin. To the point of even besmirching the US in front of the world.
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2023
    • Agree Agree x 4
  7. slocala

    slocala VIP Member

    3,302
    784
    2,028
    Jan 11, 2009
    Wendell Wilkie alternative universe during Pearl Harbor… we would have taken it like little biatches?
     
  8. GatorRade

    GatorRade Rad Scientist

    8,746
    1,644
    1,478
    Apr 3, 2007
    I think this model is a bit too simplistic. If there is a shadow entity out there that actually controls politicians, they would be often shooting themselves in the foot by asking politicians to say things that people don’t actually want to hear.

    The first goal of a politician (usually) is to get and stay elected. To that end, they need to craft an image and a message that resonates with potential voters. In this way, the party-wide ideologies that we experience evolve more complex circular path where the people both influence and are influenced by the words of their leaders. Now the actions of politicians are sometimes more geared toward appeasing their funding agencies, but I’d imagine this is more likely to occur when these actions can be hidden from the public.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. slocala

    slocala VIP Member

    3,302
    784
    2,028
    Jan 11, 2009
    tongue in cheek on my part. I am making fun of myself for the 8.5x conspiracy theory thread.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  10. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Because the Japs woke up angry one morning and decided to bomb Pearl Harbor.
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  11. slocala

    slocala VIP Member

    3,302
    784
    2,028
    Jan 11, 2009
    Yikes!
     
  12. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Worse than transphobia though ?
     
  13. slocala

    slocala VIP Member

    3,302
    784
    2,028
    Jan 11, 2009
    Take a break from the internet dude.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Even these two know that FDR used Pearl Harbor as a “back door to fight Germany” by maneuvering Japan into taking the first shot …

    upload_2023-8-19_13-10-57.jpeg
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  15. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,618
    2,863
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  16. fredgarvin

    fredgarvin Senior

    245
    58
    1,628
    Oct 3, 2020
    FB_IMG_1692466789677.jpg
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 2
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  17. Trickster

    Trickster VIP Member

    10,124
    2,476
    3,233
    Sep 20, 2014
    Some people don’t know the difference between a fascist and a member of the MAGA cult. HINT: There isn’t one.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  18. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    It’s been a topic of fierce debate. But Hitler was likely a leftist.

    *runs away*
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Best Post Ever Best Post Ever x 1
    • Off-topic Off-topic x 1
  19. cocodrilo

    cocodrilo GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 8, 2007
    Unless Putin has something on him (and it's my understanding that the golden showers thing was a hoax), I think it's simply the fact that Trump idolizes dictators (he has stated his "love" for Kim Jong Un) and wants to be one himself. If elected again, he'll achieve his desire, a dictatorship being just fine with his base. I imagine we'll then wind up as allies of Russia and China (a Big Three) and will pull out of NATO which Trump despises anyway.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,462
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Most Democrats - and not a few Republicans - share fealty to hatred for Putin and harbor suspicion towards those who don’t. It’s the New McCarthyism.