Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Trump's Troubles

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

    4,487
    937
    2,463
    Jul 4, 2020
    The orange doofus chose to hold onto this stuff for over 2 years?
     
  2. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,549
    2,782
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    Master strategist. Look how he drew them in with their Deep State conspiracies before dropping the QBoom. Trust the Plan.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  3. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

    4,742
    990
    1,788
    Nov 23, 2021
    I wonder if he's still going to rely on claims about widespread fraud with the counting and tons of dead people voting. Or maybe they've prepped him with very specific lies to say about Dominion so he can catch himself another civil suit and provide even more evidence in his criminal cases. I suspect we're more likely to see complaining about Hunter Biden, the media, and maybe even criticism of the amendments to election laws in some places.
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  4. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,549
    2,782
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    You are likely correct. I am beyond being able to think seriously about his claims. I am so fatigued of him
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

    35,331
    1,741
    2,258
    Apr 8, 2007
    Is he going to announce it with his health plan?
     
    • Funny Funny x 14
  6. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,190
    13,194
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    Between that and all the sycophants nationwide posting on social media etc about how convinced they are of his innocence. Too bad the grand juries were not in on all those pearls of wisdom. :rolleyes:
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. pkaib01

    pkaib01 GC Hall of Fame

    3,605
    770
    2,063
    Apr 3, 2007
     
    • Funny Funny x 7
  8. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

    35,331
    1,741
    2,258
    Apr 8, 2007
    The (admittedly left) Media Matters takes a look at why Trump believed (if he really did) that the election was stolen and that his people could and would uncover the 'truth' about it. A good bit may simply be that he is a truly disturbed person who simply cannot process the fact that the American voters rejected him and chose Biden.
    But as MM points out, it was well-known that Trump watched hours of Fox and probably a couple of other rightwing outlets every day.
    And they kept spouting the claim over and over that the fraud was real. Even as his own advisers told him he'd lost, the rightwing media could only reinforce his belief that he hadn't.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-ne...t-shows-perilous-power-right-wing-fever-swamp
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
  9. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

    4,742
    990
    1,788
    Nov 23, 2021
    As someone else asked, I wonder how far they can get with what he believed if he doesn't take the stand? Also, I recall Barr talking about how Bannon said they were going to claim it was rigged if he didn't win, and that was before the election. That's also consistent with what Trump was saying publicly (that's the only way he could lose). I think I heard last night that the Georgia allegations include that the campaign began drafting documents alleging fraud beforehand as well. We'll see if they can establish Trump was aware of any specific documents being drafted, but all of that would suggest they were going to make accusations about widespread fraud and rigging regardless of the facts on the ground.
     
  10. mikemcd810

    mikemcd810 Premium Member

    1,956
    435
    348
    Apr 3, 2007
    Is still don't see how that's a winning argument with jurors. They'd have to believe that Trump was too dumb or dense to understand that he lost while at the same time being responsible for running the United States as President.
     
  11. ajoseph

    ajoseph Premium Member

    6,848
    2,529
    2,998
    Jan 15, 2008
    But the absurdity here is that Fox for the story of the “fraud” from Trump. It’s so circular.
     
  12. tampajack1

    tampajack1 Premium Member

    9,485
    1,610
    2,453
    Apr 3, 2007
    In general, Trump’s best chances in these trials is for a MAGA guy to slip through and get onto the jury.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Winner Winner x 1
  13. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,190
    13,194
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    That and dragging it all out until after the election in the hope that Trump or some other gop potus will make it all go away. Even if the Georgia case stands, are they really going to lock up a sitting potus if convicted ( if Trump wins the wh again)?
     
  14. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,676
    1,369
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    ideally they can get a panel of jurors that are not registered to vote to maximize the chances of eliminating any political bias.
     
    • Creative Creative x 1
  15. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,549
    2,782
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    I am presuming that any Republican elected to President will issue blanket pardons on day one. The base will demand it. It's no longer just a Trump thing.
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2023
    • Agree Agree x 4
  16. jeffbrig

    jeffbrig GC Hall of Fame

    1,488
    552
    2,003
    Aug 7, 2007
    Is that even possible in GA? In FL, the jury pool is pulled from the registered voter list.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  17. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

    31,759
    54,912
    3,753
    Apr 8, 2007
    northern MN
    We may need a month :).
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  18. BigCypressGator1981

    BigCypressGator1981 GC Hall of Fame

    6,676
    1,369
    3,103
    Oct 11, 2011
    I don't see why not. Take a large jury pool and remove everyone from it that is registered to vote then go from there. Seems like a no brainer if you're seeking an impartial jury for an extremely high profile politician.
     
  19. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    24,707
    2,568
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    The list for state court jury pools in Florida comes from DHSMV....people with driver's licenses or state ID cards.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. jeffbrig

    jeffbrig GC Hall of Fame

    1,488
    552
    2,003
    Aug 7, 2007
    I stand corrected. My Google-fu says this went into effect in 1998. Am I right in thinking before that they used voter registration rolls?
     
    • Agree Agree x 2