Are they serious?? (GA indictment of Trump)

. They don’t care about the facts of what is alleged. They wanted the Georgia vote overruled. That explains the outrage over this error and the indictment. For them, this is normal. If you can steal an election by rejecting a states winner and electoral votes , that’s just normal politics.

 

Cherry picking among the 161 acts, I see. Legally, he only has to be found guilty of TWO of the 161 acts to be guilty of the RICO charge. Here's one that we ALL heard for ourselves in his despicable phone call to Georgia's top election official.

 

"There's no excuse for posting the list of charges on the website. It was either someone within the clerk's office acting maliciously towards Trump (most likely scenario) or gross incompetence."

Conspiracy lovers always believe "someone acting maliciously toward Trump" is the "most likely scenario", despite all logic to the contrary. It's far more likely that some individual (not "they") screwed up big time.

 

My question for you is if Trump is found guilty should he be punished?

 

What stage are we at now? Denial? Bargaining?

1. Or he was getting pressure to at least hear what the President of the United States had to say.

2. This doesn't absolve Trump in anyway, although it does make the crime even dumber to do so with all those people on the line.

3. Trump and his lawyers already had the opportunity to make their case in the court system and they lost. They knew they lost and their claims were frivolous. At the time Trump made the call the votes had been counted and re-counted.

4. He didn't want the truth, he was solely pushing for the result to be switched to him as the winner. He had lost in court, he had advisors telling him he lost, lawyers telling him he lost. There was no excuse at that point to genuinely believe he still won. If you believe that then you're effectively treating Trump like a child who can't process and understand basic facts.

 

Any naive, delusional belief that Trump was seeking "truth" in his phone call to Georgia's top election official was blown out of the water by Trump himself when he clearly said: "I just want to find 11,780 votes . . . ." As we all know, 11,780 votes is exactly what he needed to change the election outcome in Georgia.

Trump's stupidity in revealing his true intent in a phone call with several witnesses listening is no excuse. It's just further proof that he's a moron.

 

When a President tells you he wants something is akin to your boss saying he wants something.

He took the call because it was the freaking President and he kept calling. He recorded the call, because he knew it was corrupt. CYA.

 

Quite a thread. I've no comment (it's not like anyone's mind will be changed) except to note I am compelled to admire the effort it took to rationalize and/or excuse Trump's and his co-conspirator's attack on American democracy. I think the OP needs an armband for his futile but admirable effort.

 

Yes they have the ability to change their logic on a dime. It's quite entertaining

 

Well, that settles it. A document is leaked and therefore Trump is innocent. Sarcasm aside, a grand jury chose to indict, so it’s a bit hard to say that the DA’s case has no merit. Since you do not have all the facts and details of the case, I don’t see how you are able to definitively say he and his co-defendants are not guilty. We have courts for this reason, and if he is innocent, he will be cleared of all charges.

 

He wasn't just identifying areas of concern. He was making statements of fact for which he had no evidence. I think perhaps the worst part of that call is that Trump outright accused Raffensperger and his lawyer of committing crimes and put them on notice that they were letting those crimes happen and would have exposure.

Read the full transcript and listen to Trump's audio call with Georgia secretary of state | CNN Politics

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can’t let it happen and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.


And flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, cause you know, this is — it’s a testament that they can admit to a mistake or whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don’t know. A lot of people think it wasn’t a mistake. It was much more criminal than that. But it’s a big problem in Georgia and it’s not a problem that’s going away. I mean, you know, it’s not a problem that’s going away.

 

A lot of hogwash here.

1. The solution to issues with the election is in the courts. Trump's lawyers brought nonsensical conspiracy theories to court but wouldn't certify under their own names that they had anything but speculation as the origin of these theories.

2. The solution to election problems is not to state that you won and to tell those responsible for counting to just change the numbers. That is a crime, plain and simple. A very serious one.

3. Even if you lost under nefarious circumstances proven or not, you don't get to try to flip the results with subterfuge. In 99.99% of circumstances, you have to live with the results and try to correct it in the next election cycle.

 

They made a mistake and quickly corrected it. The nerve of these guys!

 

Think about what you're saying . . . . That it's alright for the President of the US to bully State election officials in an attempt to illegally change vote counts to illegally change election results. And, YOU KNOW that's what he did.

As for the circumstances that led to Trump leaving for Mar-a-Lago with his tail between his legs . . . .

To the detriment of all true Americans,
Trump refused to acknowledge, for the first time in US history, that he lost the election, despite his own AG, his own election security officials, and his own campaign advisors telling him repeatedly that he lost the election.

To the detriment of all true Americans,
Trump ensured that, for the first time in US history, there wasn't a peaceful transfer of power.

To the detriment of all true Americans,
Trump didn't allow his out-going administration to cooperate with the incoming Biden administration's transition into office.

Don't kid yourself. Self-centered, wannabe-dictator Trump only left office on inauguration day, because . . . . .

-- all his legal court cases had failed due to lack of evidence of election fraud.

-- all his illegal attempts to overturn the legitimate election failed, because true Americans, including key Republicans in Georgia, Arizona and elsewhere, stood up to his bullying.

-- the Joint Chiefs of Staff assured all true Americans (plus Trump and his mob) that the military would uphold the US Constitution and not intervene in the election.

 

You'd think his lawyers would move for an immediate dismissal if they were remotely intelligent. At the very least, it sounds like grounds for a mistrial.

 

I'm very confident it would be a losing argument, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they make it.

 

The trial hasn’t started yet, and is in fact many months away. The grand jury is not the same as the jury that will sit for the trial. So not sure how this could possibly be “grounds for a mistrial”, particularly with the likelihood the members of the grand jury were not influenced or even aware of the clerical issue. Hypothetically, what would be your grounds for a mistrial?

Sounds like some fanciful wishful thinking to me.