Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Trump's Troubles

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,357
    22,654
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC
    DJT, Rudy, Eastman, Meadows, Sidney Powell, et al.

    Apparently there were zero NO bills returned. All defendants indicted on all charges.

    trump, Rudy, meadows, Eastman, Chesboro, J Clark, J Ellis and others on RICO.

    19 Defendants
    Trial will be televised.
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2023
    • Like Like x 2
  2. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

    18,231
    6,180
    3,213
    Oct 30, 2017
    A whole lot of people getting indicted.
     
    • Best Post Ever Best Post Ever x 6
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  3. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,618
    2,864
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    I did not read the indictment but I do worry if it's some version of RICO.

    That is awfully hard to prove and awfully easy to attack via motion practice. Ken White has a joke about it
     
  4. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    25,420
    2,710
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    RICO is not that hard to prove if you have the right facts. That's Count 1 of the indictment. Georgia's RICO is broader than the federal statute and includes more predicate acts/crimes.
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2023
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  5. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

    25,420
    2,710
    1,868
    Apr 3, 2007
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  6. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,618
    2,864
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    No deep legal analysis. Just feel there had to be cosmic justice for the treatment of Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss. That deserves serious consequences
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  7. PacificBlueGator

    PacificBlueGator All American

    489
    133
    1,853
    Apr 3, 2007
    My understanding of RICO is that it allows prosecutors to tell a broader story including multiple acts that support an overall criminal enterprise, in this case fake electors, phone calls, false claims, threats, etc for overthrowing the election in GA. Willis has successfully prosecuted several RICO cases.
     
  8. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,357
    22,654
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC
    Ruby is mentioned by name in the indictment
    Point #4 in manner and methods
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

    18,231
    6,180
    3,213
    Oct 30, 2017
    Y'all should be very scared right now. If the government can do this to Trump, then they can also do it to Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis.
     
    • Funny x 12
    • Winner x 4
    • Like x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Best Post Ever x 1
  10. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,357
    22,654
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC
    Is it too late for any of these defendants to cop a deal as a witness? Or is it likely Ga has all the witnesses it needs?
     
  11. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    16,257
    2,098
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Wow, 161 acts listed in the RICO indictment. Amazing to see it all printed. Just stunning how much potential crime was going on through that time. Almost seems as if the idea was that if they commit so much crime as to normalize it, they wouldn't get charged with any of it.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Winner Winner x 1
  12. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    16,257
    2,098
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    They had 30 unindicted co-conspirators, with a lot of them known to the GJ. I'd imagine that there might be some deals though to make it easier to either nail Trump and some of the other higher ups (e.g., Giuliani) or add new charges against them.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  13. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,357
    22,654
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC
    Defendants have until noon August 25th to turn themselves in per Willis announcement.

    She intends to try them together- 19 defendants and probably 3 times that number of lawyers. what a circus that will be.
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2023
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  14. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,357
    22,654
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC

    Listening to the talking lawyer heads on TV who say that Willis only has to get convictions on 2 of the 161 crimes to get a RICO conviction which carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 5 years in prison.
     
    • Informative Informative x 6
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  15. WC53

    WC53 GC Hall of Fame

    4,987
    1,025
    2,088
    Oct 17, 2015
    Old City
    I would hope she has a few cooperating defendants.
    She will never try them together.
    No we have to navigate and separate , AI, Trolls, Ideologues, Morons and Quackens oh my. Conspiracy!
     
  16. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

    4,868
    1,003
    1,788
    Nov 23, 2021
    I wonder how many will actually take the stand though? That could reduce some of the time and issues. Still seems like a lot for one case.
     
  17. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,221
    1,159
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    I would imagine Willis is hoping that some of the co-defendants don't like the idea of a minimum 5-year sentence in Georgia, and cop plea deals that turn on the others. Doubtful all decide to go to trial. Wouldn't surprise me if a few all turn together and make someone like Sidney Powell out to be the "real" ringleader, and try to throw her under the bus.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  18. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,357
    22,654
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC
    Yeah. Although she did say it, I can’t see a trial for 19 people happening simultaneously. Might have just been something she said for effect.
     
  19. orangeblue_coop

    orangeblue_coop GC Hall of Fame

    4,352
    719
    2,938
    Nov 19, 2016
    Giuliani pioneered the RICO Laws to take down the mob, now he’s about to go to prison on those very same RICO charges. Life really does come at you fast.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  20. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,618
    2,864
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    He is truly deserving of prison time
     
    • Agree Agree x 7