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  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

We Florida Citizens are Involuntarily Paying..

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by intimigator1, Feb 10, 2023.

  1. partdopy

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    Kind of a dumb take considering the illegal aliens are here due to policies that aren't being enforced on the federal level. Ultimately you're paying for the lack of enforcement.
     
  2. GatorJMDZ

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    Sorry, you're wrong. You are imposing your definition of human trafficking and ignoring the statutory definitions, the ONLY ones that control in court. You obviously think it only applies when violence is involved and I agree those are generally the more egregious violations. If you want to argue those violations should be treated more harshly, I'm all aboard the Tilly train. But the law also clearly applies to instances when fraud and deceit are utilized and you simply can't properly ignore those definitions because they don't fit yours. That is an insult to all the other victims of human trafficking.

    Certain 2nd Amendment proponents and firearm manufacturers love to argue every time a ban on assault rifles is brought up that an AR-15 isn't an "assault weapon." I own one and I certainly understand that argument. But guess what? As soon as a federal or state statute defines or otherwise lists an AR-15 as an "assault weapon," it just became one...legally.

    Your question "Did you interview these alleged victims...?" is just deflection. If that was the test to express an opinion about a legal situation on this board, no one could ever post on any of these topics. Posters frequently use news reports, videos and other sources to express their opinions. The reports about was said and done with those peoples seem to be pretty consistent. I don't recall DeSantis or his representatives calling any of these people out as lying, in fact, he seems disgustingly proud of what he did.

    These victims have a class action suit pending against DeSantis and company. My great wish is that DeSantis would be personally liable for his conduct and we Florida taxpayers not be responsible for his actions.

    And what is this nonsense that if someone voted for Clinton they are somehow prohibited from criticizing someone who likely has violated the law, has threatened to do it again and just received legislative approval for funding to do so? Bullshit. You voted for Trump. No one has ever argued that disqualifies you from making a moral assessment.

    BTW:

    DeSantis goes easy on hotel sex trafficking violations
    Zero fines were given for 14,000 violations of a sex trafficking law by Florida hotels and lodging establishments

    https://www.salon.com/2022/11/21/desantis-goes-easy-on-hotel-trafficking-violations_partner/

    Innocence Sold: Florida hotels have stacked up thousands of violations of a 2019 sex-trafficking law. But not one has been fined.
     
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  3. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    That isnt my claim at all.

    No one said that you can't criticize DeSantis. I said criticizing someone for how they may vote holds no water if you voted for a predator yourself.

    I never said that those folks cant hold an opinion about RD, but they sure as heck better not wag their finger at someone for voting for a "human trafficker" if they themselves voted for a sexual predator.

    Oh...btw... people have 100% told me on this very board that my 2016 vote disqualifies me.
     
  4. flgator2

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    Randall's Island migrant shelter to cost NY taxpayers $20M a month -- or $10G for every migrant: source (nypost.com)

    New York taxpayers will dole out $20 million a month to house migrants on Randall’s Island, according to a state source — or $10,000 per asylum-seeker if the site fills all of its 2,000 beds.

    The makeshift facility off Manhattan is one of four migrant housing sites fully funded by the state as part of a desperate effort to keep up with the flood of migrants who have New York City at its breaking point.

    New York City Mayor Eric Adams announced last week that the migrant crunch in the Big Apple is expected to cost an overall whopping $12 billion for the next three years.

    “We are past our breaking point,” Adams said during a City Hall briefing Wednesday. “With more than 57,300 individuals currently in our care on an average night, it amounts to $9.8 million a day, almost $300 million a month and nearly $3.6 billion a year.”

    And yet we have idiots out there thinking we need more illegals
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    Allow them to work. Florida is about to feel an immigrant labor shortage. And but just in agriculture and construction. But hotels and restaurants too.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    Already feeling it. I know multiple business owners who have lost employees because they or their spouses weren't documented and they left out of fear of being deported.

    Ybor city restaurant owner dismayed after having to fire long term employees
    Forced to fire undocumented workers, owner of landmark Florida restaurant seeks change

    https://www.bradenton.com/news/poli...ml?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

    When federal immigration authorities arrived at his Sand Key restaurant in Clearwater in 2021 to find outdated and noncompliant work documents for 19 of his employees, he was forced to fire them all — including seven people who had worked with his family for decades. “With 2,000 employees, it becomes very difficult to monitor it,’’ Gonzmart said in an interview. “We think they’re legal but, when we had to check, we found seven people who have been with me 30 years — paying taxes, had children, grandchildren — and we were required to terminate them.

    Read more at: https://www.bradenton.com/news/poli...-politics/article278161652.html#storylink=cpy
     
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  7. PITBOSS

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    The NYC migrant situation is probably worthy of its own thread. City has 10s that arrived recently and they can’t handle the large influx.
     
  8. flgator2

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    I agree along with her large population of homeless and crime. It's gonna be very difficult for that city.
     
  9. g8trjax

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    Maybe the homeless should identify as illegal immigrants.
     
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    Applicants for asylum are not illegal immigrants. Seems to a standard narrative of the anti-immigrant nativist right to conflate the two.
     
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