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Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by tampajack1, Aug 6, 2023.

  1. GatorPlanet

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    The Lurker was making a little joke. Wichita State Shockers.
     
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  2. BLING

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    I thought even with NIL, it was still technically illegal for the coach or school itself to be doing “strong ass offers”? Thought it was supposed to be kept separate, if not up to the player entirely to persue their own deals. But I guess nobody cares anymore. I guess from a practical point of view the head coach is the dominant figure. But hell, even in the NBA or petty much any pro sport, it’s not like the head coach has to spend any time negotiating contracts or dealing with any of this shit. This all seems quite silly.
     
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  3. danmanne65

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    It’s hard to think of a more wrong post. If you don’t think a head coach is involved in the free agency process and aware of salary cap issues, I don’t know what to say.
     
  4. BLING

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    In the NBA? They have GM’s. Yeah there are a few coaches with that kind of draw, or even a Pat Riley or Bill Belichik type in the NFL that may have pretty much acted as GM with almost the final say on personnel decisions both coming and going. I don’t know which NBA coaches have that power now, but it isn’t alot of them.

    But for the most part, no I don’t think most head coaches sit at the table and negotiate contracts, except their own. Even those with total power probably have a “manager” to fill in the details and make sure all the i’s and t’s are in order.
     
  5. danmanne65

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    There are people who do the negotiating but the head coach is involved in these decisions. They don’t just show up at the beginning of the preseason and coach who shows up.
     
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  6. GatorPlanet

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    The "Shocker" is also a useful hand trick.
     
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  7. GatorLurker

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  8. tampajack1

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    Rumors are that Kansas State is the leader to sign Ques Glover.
     
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  9. FranceGator

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    I wonder who might be ahead of him there at PG, if anybody.
     
  10. tampajack1

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    Good question. K State's star point guard, Markquis Nowell, is gone. They return their starting 2-guard, Camryn Carter, but he is not much of an offensive player. Carter averaged about 10 ppg and 2 apg per 40 minutes. KS State brings in Tylor Perry who is a talented 5' 11" guard who is more of a 2-guard than a point guard. Perry averaged 20ppg and 2.4 apg per 40 minutes. He shot 41% from 3, 48% from 2, and 87% on his free throws. Glover is about the same size as Perry, but his per-40 minute numbers are better. Ques shot 51% from 2, 38% from 3 and 85% from the line this past season. On a per-40 minute basis, he averaged 24 ppg and 3.4 apg this past season. However, he played with torn knee cartilage throughout the year, missed 14 games and didn't play as much as usual for him with the ball in his hands. In his previous season at Samford, when he was healthy, Glover, on a per-40 minute basis, averaged about 25 ppg and 6 apg. My guess, if Glover signs with K State, is that K State will go small in the backcourt with Glover at the point and Perry at the 2. That could be an explosive scoring duo, and they could be very pesky guarding bigger guards.
     
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  11. GatorLurker

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    Do you expect K State to play man-to-man?

    If I was playing them I would run an offense with posting up my taller guard. Going old school I was thinking Adrian Dantley as the perfect guy for such an offense.

    Probably won't see that because post-up offense is not much in favor anymore and guys that size normally don't learn post moves anymore.

    I remember playing a pick-up game where I was matched up with a much smaller guy. Normally I was a perimeter player but with that match-up I was posting up and scoring at will for a few baskets. Then the guys that normally scored down low told me that I had my fun and to get back where I belonged.

    I never had the opportunity to tell them to stop making 20+ foot shots and get back down in the paint.

    Added in edit: Truth be told I never took 20+ foot shots in pick-up games because all shots were one point. I took a lot of 15' to 17' shots because to me they were like lay-ups. Now in intramural games I took a fair number of 3-point shots and made a lot of them. Even once made a "Kenny Boynton special" 4-point play in an intramural game.
     
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  12. GatorLurker

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    K State did very well last season with a really undersized PG.
     
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  13. tampajack1

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    That kid was great, as well as Keyontae Johnson. That’s a lot of talent to replace. If Glover joins Perry on Kansas State, that’s two real talented guys, although the team will miss Keyontae’s size and strength.
     
  14. tampajack1

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    Glover has committed to Kansas State.
     
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    Big upgrade from BYU, IMO
     
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  16. akaGatorhoops

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    Fast and talented backcourt, but that is a very tough conference to be undersized.
     
  17. tampajack1

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    Nowell ate up the conference last season. This coming season, in addition to Glover and Perry, Max Abmas has joined Texas. The Big 12 is going to be fun to watch.
     
  18. akaGatorhoops

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    i know what I’m setting up here, but Nowell is a next level talent.

    Anyway, it will be interesting to see these guys play.
     
  19. tampajack1

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    An interesting point about Nowell is if you check his college statistics at Little Rock, they were not as good as the stats that Perry, Glover and Abmas had at the mid- majors they played for before transferring into the Big 12.
     
  20. akaGatorhoops

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    I honestly haven’t looked, but i would be surprised if Nowell didn’t have better assist numbers than those listed. He is an incredibly dynamic passer.
    Regardless, the overall point….that he became a better player at K-State… is a valid one. It will be interesting to watch these three players. Each has potential.