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Hunter Biden plea deal nixed by judge, going to federal trial

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Aug 12, 2023.

  1. okeechobee

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    Hunter Biden’s growing legal woes throw a new wrench into the 2024 election

    Democrats will have a harder time highlighting Trump’s indictments, and the president’s allies worry Republicans will try to exploit his son’s predicament the same way they weaponized Clinton’s emails.

    Two weeks ago, Hunter Biden's legal saga seemed to be nearing the finish line. He was preparing to accept a plea deal over tax charges that would have spared him any jail time, an outcome that would have allowed the Biden campaign to argue that the issue had been fairly adjudicated and was now closed.

    But the deal with prosecutors collapsed under questioning by the judge in the case, setting off a chain of events that culminated in Friday’s announcement from Attorney General Merrick Garland that the prosecution of Hunter Biden was continuing, with no end in sight.

    Hunter Biden’s growing legal woes throw a new wrench into 2024 election
     
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  2. okeechobee

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  3. okeechobee

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    How can Weiss be an independent, impartial special counsel if a federal judge was insulted by the plea bargain he arranged with the subject of the investigation?
     
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  4. okeechobee

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    Hunter Biden plea deal arranged by US Attorney Weiss was to give Hunter Biden immunity from any future investigations and/or charges connected to his work, business dealings and foreign entities, which is a big reason the judge threw it out.
     
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    What's the statue of limitations on Hunter's case? Are they simply stalling to run out the clock?
     
  6. VAg8r1

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    If I were to bet I would still be putting my money on a new plea deal over the possibility of an actual trial.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    On the tax evasion in 2014 and 2015, it has already run out. 5 years. While he can't be charged for it for those years, I wonder if such knowledge is admissible in his case? As in, "okay we got him in 2018 and 2019 on tax evasion, plus he did it in 2014 and 2015." The real kicker is the immunity Weiss was going to give Hunter. If that was mentioned back when the plea deal story first came out, I certainly missed it.
     
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  8. philnotfil

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    The 4D chess move here would be for Biden to resign.
     
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    Seems like Hunter Biden's legal situation is getting more complicated, and it's causing ripples for the upcoming 2024 election. Democrats might find it tougher to focus on Trump's legal issues, and Republicans could seize the opportunity to use Hunter's case as a weapon, similar to how they handled Clinton's emails. Initially, it seemed Hunter's legal matters were wrapping up, but the recent turn of events, including the collapse of a plea deal, has thrown everything into uncertainty. This could potentially have broader implications for the election landscape. ️
     
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  10. okeechobee

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    It's a big problem politically, because Garland just threw gas on the "DOJ is protecting Hunter narrative" fire. The GOP are most definitely going to highlight the fact that a judge threw out his plea deal, because it was too generous and provided Hunter cover for any future indictments. Plus there is the issue of Weiss testifying to Jim Jordan that he had all the access and power he needed to investigate Hunter fully. Then he tells Garland a few weeks later "I need to be a special counsel." In the middle of all that, there's the plea deal that was tossed which Weiss authored, the IRS whistleblowers and the Devon Archer testimony. The IRS whistleblower is difficult to get around. So Garland had to overcompensate to cover DOJ. I don't believe for a second this was Weiss' idea.
     
  11. citygator

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    Im still not voting for Hunter.
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    Same here.
     
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  13. duchen

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    Me 2! Hunter didn’t pay his taxes! Impeach Him! And you can see, I right wing world ( the world here the election was stolen), they are breathless over Hunter’s plea collapsing.
     
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  14. duchen

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    It will do nothing. The right wing will scream and yell about it and vote for Trump anyway like they would have anyway. The independents won’t care because it has nothing to do with Joe Biden. It will help the ratings for Fox and Gateway Pundit and the other clickbait sources from which right wingers get their information and from where their views are shaped and hardened. And the hearings in Congress are just going to piss off independents. They are going to try to make it like Hilary’s emails, but most of this country still prefers fair elections and that nuclear secrets and war plans are kept secret. A lot more than they care about Hunter Biden’s business dealings or taxes.
     
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    Are you a bot?
     
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  16. duchen

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    It won’t lessen the impacts of the Trump indictments at all. The Trumpers and GOP will bite for him anyway. It won’t create an equivalency among independents because it has nothing to do with Joe Biden. The equivalence is exactly why the GOP hearings are taking place and why they refer to “the Biden Family.” That base wound vote for Premier Kim or Putin over Biden if they could run and ran as Republicans.
     
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  17. okeechobee

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    If it has nothing to do with Joe Biden, why the need for a special counsel? Is it normal for an AG to create a special counsel and hold a public announcement about it for investigating a private citizen who has never held public office?

    I'm enjoying watching you regurg the talking points. How about coming up with your own ideas at some point instead of plagiarizing talking points?
     
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  18. rivergator

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    Is that really how you want to conduct this conversation? A good, mature way to do it?
     
  19. VAg8r1

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    The plea deal was tossed based on technicalities not because it was too lenient; it's not all that unusual for investigators and prosecutors to disagree and I suspect that if the case ever comes to trial (not that I think it will) one of the questions that Hunter's attorney will ask the IRS agent will be if he ever disagreed with a prosecutorial decision to plea bargain a case before and my guess is that Hunter's was not the first; and finally while Devon Archer rebutted Joe Biden's statement that he never met with Hunter's business associates he also indicated that Joe Biden never actually discussed business. If the case goes to trial and once again I think that's unlikely Archer's testimony insofar as Old Joe is concerned would be more exculpatory than damaging.
     
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  20. duchen

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    Because the investigation is about Joe Biden’s son. My comments aren’t talking points. They are the reality outside of the right wing bubble. Maybe you should pay attention to what goes on outside of your world view
     
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