Imagine a state without police…

2. is not a solution? It's predicated on what?
5. Just get the bad seed cops fired or off the streets and let the cops decide that in a secret ballot, but with total due process for the accused.

 

A simplification, but predicated on a community & problem oriented policing framework. Aggressive broken windows & drug war enforcement and an us vs them/thin blue line culture are key reasons driving public discontent.

Bad apples should be removed, but the problems also come from policy and a general mindset. The public and politicians are also responsible in creating these problems.
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Take the example from Frisco, TX from a few weeks ago where police pulled an extremely high risk maneuver on a major highway stopping at gun point an innocent family w/young children on a way to a basketball tourney because the officers locked onto a car with out of state plates that they merely thought was suspicious. Then an officer entered the wrong info on the plate, thus believing the car was stolen. Could have easily gotten innocent people killed.

Good on the officers for apologizing immediately and the Chief in taking responsibility, promising reforms etc. Yet, this incident highlights how problems begin w/policies & mindset in the first place. Policies & culture that make it okay to pull a high risk maneuver over a suspected stolen vehicle w/o any other info about the occupants.

I can easily imagine a better way of policing that doesn't include the above type of action. Society won't fall apart if police are far less militarized or aggressive.

 

I think law enforcement is frustrated with all the limits and under appreciation for the hard work they perform in an increasingly hostile world in the streets. It's a by product of the laws/judges releasing criminals back into the streets... among other moves by those holding the purse-strings and power.

 

Many do get frustrated by limits and judges releasing people into the community etc. I'm sympathetic to the stress and frustration experienced by police. Same time, I have zero sympathy for police who refuse to recognize that 1) the limits are Constitutionally prescribed and what keep society free and 2) those limits protect police as well.

Police have driven a lot of hostility. The "streets" however have gotten less hostile with much less violence.

 

They face a reality that most of us have no idea... the dangers and not knowing if you're going to die becasue someone is funding a "peaceful demonstration" that day... among other threats.

 

You may be right. I feel the exact same regarding teachers.

 

My bad. I thought the your question being based upon the five points you raised made it the/a point of the thread.

 

Yes Maga supports the blue, from their couch, on message boards and only if their illegal activities aren’t challenged. On Jan 6th, maga rioted and beat LEO men and women with weapons and chemicals. Resulting in LEOs injuries, including some permanent, brain damage, and some died as a result days later. And Dear Leader, gleefully watched safely in front of a TV.

 

Can you expound on this thought? More specificity?

 

True, though reforms can help police safety. The pressure to *find* crime and meet unstated quotas drives a lot of interactions that police have with the public. That pressure is policy driven and from misguided beliefs.

 

I think school teachers are frustrated with all the limits and under appreciation for the hard work they perform in an increasingly hostile world in the schools and communities. It's a byproduct of political anti-education constituents spreading misinformation ... including, but not limited to anti-education politicians.

 

If I recall there is an American political party that is proposing to defund the premier federal law enforcement agency. Probably because it acts as if the law should apply to its Dear Leader.
Republican Efforts to Defund Federal Law Enforcement – Third Way
House GOP wants to defund the FBI. Ramaswamy wants to shut it down.

 

Cognitive dissonance has you mistaking data & facts for lies.

The US has experienced nearly 30 years of declining crime numbers. What's driving those numbers? The decline in crime in cities. In the US in 2019, there were over 7 million fewer reported Index crimes than at its peak in 1991 (property) & 1992 (violent). The decline in Crime Rates is even greater given that the size of the US population has increased by over 76 million people over that same period.

Don't mistake fewer or less with an absence of hostility or that social conditions in numerous extremely poor communities where crime is often concentrated are all that much better than in the past.

But hell, even the rw's fav crime card city to play--Chicago--has experienced a massive drop in Index Crimes from its peak in 1991 with over 64k (<73%) fewer violent crimes and over 213k (<72%) fewer property crimes in 2020.

 

When did the lack of police begin? When did DAs start to refuse to prosecute?

 

Even if there were a "lack of police" as you say, it does not explain that there were millions of fewer reported serious violent and property crimes now than back in the early-mid 1990s at its peak.

But I get it, data doesn't confirm your biases so now statistics must be voo doo. Yet you've had no problem in the recent past alluding to studies & stats when you think it confirms what you believe. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.