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Why Great Britain is a misnomer…

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by UFLawyer, Aug 11, 2023.

  1. UFLawyer

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    Even after a quick review of this, its hard to see how this person could be convicted under this law. So again, the cops being cops

    At best only 1 of this tings occurred. The cops check more boxes here lol.
     
  3. UFLawyer

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    maybe so, but the fact that there is any law in place which could possibly criminalize this conduct is my point.
     
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  4. wgbgator

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    As always, the cops decide what is criminal, and they have plenty of tools to arrest people they deem disruptive. This could easily happen here despite no similar law existing. The law is pretty irrelevant, why do think think so many charges get dropped, especially during a protest or disruption? As I said, the cops are a hammer, this is the only way they solve conflict. I think you are basically scapegoating anti-bias laws and at the very least, trying to portray this as their ideal functioning or intent.
     
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  5. UFLawyer

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    nope. I’m just pointing out that there should never be a law on the books for “hate speech” and this particular law is an affront to gay and lesbians. How can it be hate to call someone gay? Drafting the law is the actual hate here.
     
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    What’s extra sad in this is that the girl didn’t mean it derogatorily. She was merely asking the question because her Nana is lesbian.

    The situation brings up an interesting case. If a person is not lesbian, could that person be offended by being called a lesbian and have the perpetrator arrested for a hate crime?
     
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    Certainly seems like a questionable or worse arrest to me. But if a bad arrest is proof that an entire country sucks ... there's pretty much no decent place to live, then is there?
     
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    Do you really think that's what the law says or its intent? You even linked it, so you should know better, assuming you read it. We have hate crimes here, you dont get arrested for just calling someone black. If you start beating them and calling them a "black bastard" in the process you might be charged under that law. Surely you understand how that works.
     
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    The official police statement was that she was arrested for making homophobic comments. So I’m wondering, where is the phobia and asking if someone is lesbian? How is that exhibiting an irrational fear?

    Furthermore, phobias are mental health issues. Why is there this concerted effort to make mental health issues into crimes?
     
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    England’s native food sucks big time. Solid international food choices though.

    Our hate speech laws work fine here…. Say what you want but if it crosses the line into intimidation you’re screwed by the law. Our culture regulates hate speech naturally by making those dipshits outcasts, companies cancel them, opponents counter protest. It happens on this site and you get tossed. It’s all a miracle of freedom.
     
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    Im sorry, what is it about the title “Great Britain is a misnomer” are you having difficulty with.

    In the article I linked a girl in England was arrested in her home for describing a female police officer as looking like a lesbian.

    what was your point again?
     
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    I saw a clip on Twitter of a guy whose supposedly former UK police. I think he saying that this would be a public disorder crime, if any, which can't be charged in a private residence. I don't know if that's true, but it's another interesting aspect of this story. Presumably, she could have been arrested for underage drinking or public intoxication but I guess they just took her home and then she's arrested there.
     
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    Never mind Brits. Americans have been confused about this for decades. Perused a thread on Jalen Kitna being cleared of child porn charges. In response to the sentiment that he should then be granted a clean slate, one commenter remarked, “He’s sick and ought to be in jail.”

    Much as we’re given over to the “mental illness” paradigm, we can’t quite shake the old morality.
     
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    Putting this case aside, if the crime or enhanced sentence is about people being targeted for being part of a class, I'm not sure that mistaking the identity of a hate crime victim would be a defense. For example, if someone attacks or assaults someone for wearing traditional Sikh attire, would it be a defense for the attacker to argue that they thought the victim was a Muslim?
     
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    As a parent of an autistic son this type of stuff is a worry everywhere. Most of the time cops seem pretty understanding but it only takes one who either doesn’t understand people with mental health issues or has such a big ego they don’t care to do a lot of damage.

    Not sure why you are making this an indictment of the UK. I can show you a video of a mentally ill man being snuffed out George Floyd style here in TX.

    I will say UK does not have to free speech protections that we do here and that does suck on their part.
     
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    When you elect a guy like Trump, stuff like that is going to happen.
     
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    You know that cop voted for Trump.
     
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    no autistic child should be punished for speech. Period. I’m picking on the UK because, much like the northern turds above the US, they have adopted some of the dumbest laws outlawing speech and thoughts. They both suck.
     
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