If you are police officer, or a young person thinking of getting a badge. Imagine this about this job: 1. you get average pay, but good benefits 2. People spit on you, shoot you the bird and otherwise hate you. 3. At any given moment someone may shoot at you. 4. If a bad guy is shooting, your job description requires you to run towards the shooter. 5. If you make a mistake at work, you could lose everything. so, ask yourself whether you would want to take this job. Public duty and bravery can get you over 1-4, but 5 is insurmountable. No doubt there are bad cops, and they need to be removed from the force and punished, but that is not the topic of this thread. Ohio GOP sounds alarm as progressives submit state constitutional amendment stripping police protections
Wonder why it sucks so bad in the US. Can't find it, but I bet the US ranks very high on cops killed per capita too. found this
So you think taxpayers should foot the bill for crooked or grossly incompetent cops? I don’t see the big deal here. All cops have to do is follow the law, and there is no issue with “immunity”. Why would expecting police to follow the constitution and their own procedures lead to an exodus of cops? I’m actually ok with immunity for reasonable actions that cause harm or damage. But a blanket immunity for total screwups? Hell no. Qualified immunity needs to be.. well…. qualified. There should be a neutral determination to see if it was inside the bounds of procedures. If yes, sorry, immunity applies. If no, sorry Dirty Harry, you’re fired and can possibly be sued.
Reform policing and... 1. you'll still get average pay (though many police make damn good money after only several years on the job) 2. Less people will spit at you, shoot you the bird, or otherwise hate you...and less people will have conflicted feelings about police. 3. That's always been the case. But police killings, while tragic, average less than 60 a year, with several hundred attempts, out of tens of millions police interactions with the public. 4. This is untrue. There is no requirement that police "run toward the shooter." Indeed, the supreme court ruled police have no legal duty to protect people. 5. Same as every other job. Reforms can reduce those number of mistakes.
If SOME of them didn't act like dicks, they wouldn't get spit on or flipped off. Problem is, the Jackson 5 hit One Bad Apple comes into play here. Like with most stereotypes, there has to be enough of true behaviors happening for it to get started and cops being dicks is one of those.
this statistic shows extreme high personal risk. Loss of immunity shows extreme high financial risk. These 2 equal severe police shortage.
Some of the reforms that should be enacted everywhere: 1. More funding for better and more frequent training; 2. Better and more frequent police outreach programs into the communities they patrol.
Lots of false premises there. -The average cops make almost twice what the average person without a bachelor's degree earns ... -Run towards the shooters? We've seen the videos ... few do, most dont. -At any given moment, someone could shoot at me, too. Lots of random and purposeful shootings in this country. -Spitting on cops is rare and WILL get you arrested, they probably get spit on and/or verbally abuses as much as any other career ... people without arrest power. -If I screw up my job bad enough, I could also lose everything, too. Why are cops special, again?
I'm not sure how anyone could support qualified immunity, you are basically saying cops should be able to do crime
not a single person, ever, has said such nonsense…other than you. Qualified immunity is qualified, not absolute. But that is not the point of the thread. A police force doesn’t need Q.I. if there are no cops on the force.