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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. sierragator

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    Thankfully you don't have the power to ship us all off to a re-education camp as much as I'm sure you would like to. You seem like the type.
     
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    This also rich with irony, given which faction has become best noted for re-education policies.
     
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  3. okeechobee

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    Thankfully, I don't need to, as most Americans are already aligned with my position on the matter. I think America is the best country on the planet. Sure, we have our quirks and our issues, but in the end, the American people generally figure most things out. Especially when it involves $$$.
     
  4. Gatorhead

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    DD - Pure Stalinist Commie. His Granddaddy probably worked the executioners wall at a Siberian Gulag.
     
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    According to the assessment of the Institute for the Study of War (ISW), Ukraine has succeeded in a decisive advance in the fight against Russia. This reports the German news website n-tv.de.

    According to the report, Ukrainian forces managed to cross the Dnipro River and Russian defense lines in Kherson. They had landed on the eastern bank. However, it is unclear whether Ukraine will succeed in establishing a permanent presence there. Citing Russian war bloggers, the report said Ukrainian troops disembarked on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River near Kosachi Laheri. It is said to be about seven boats. For the head of the Russian-appointed administration, Vladimir Saldo, the reports about the Ukrainian landing on the eastern bank of the Dnipro are of little value. He claims that Russian artillery attacks forced Ukraine to withdraw. ISW writes: “Saldi was probably deliberately trying to refute claims of a Ukrainian presence in the area to avoid panic in the already sensitive Russian information space.”
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    Note: source receives major funding from American weapons manufacturers.
     
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  7. ajoseph

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    I would love to see your cite for te broad proclamation that “most Americans are aligned with [your] position.” It’s fair to say that perhaps I live in a bubble (although that bubble is pretty damn large), but the only people that seem to “share” your viewpoints on Ukraine are Dugger, of course, Tuckerites, and the conspiracy crowds who dig deep to find someone to say what they want to hear.

    In my view, most Americans - the overwhelming majority — oppose the Russian invasion, and support the Ukrainians will to defend themselves. Likewise, most Americans appreciate the lessons history have taught us, including the need to oppose aggression in its earliest form.
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    In WWII a popular propaganda poster showed a gigantic jackboot crushing a church steeple. Americans totally bought into the fear of Nazi invasion and subjugation.
     
  9. uftaipan

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    They do. The only question is degree.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    I suspect Biden is safe in 2024. But it’s looking less and less like Ukraine’s something he wants to run on.
     
  11. okeechobee

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    My god, I’m not going to post it for the 3rd time in the thread. Wake up, McFly..
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    I’ll say it again …

    I do commercial route sales. I meet and shoot the breeze with hundreds and hundreds of business owners and/or managers. Typically we talk current events.

    In the nearly eighteen months of the war not once, NOT ONCE has Putin Bad Man or Evil Russians been mentioned. Typically it’s how’s business going and economy and this or that politician sucks, throw in sports and family.

    Only on this thread do I see an incandescent rage towards Russians.
     
  13. okeechobee

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    This is the same argument we heard for Vietnam and the Iraq redo. Of course, most Americans are against Russian brutality in Ukraine. Myself included. But the majority of Americans are no longer in favor of America exacerbating a proxy war in Ukraine with hundreds of billions of American tax dollars. There is a big difference in being opposed to Russian aggression and wanting to fund a proxy war in Ukraine. Those two things are not mutually exclusive and it’s a common tactic of the neo-con to make them seem so. Also, Americans are more educated and aware these days and understand that this story didn’t begin on February 28th, 2022.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    Just as nobody got sick and died before 2020, nothing was happening in Ukraine before 2022.
     
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    From a former U.S. Marine …

     
  16. chemgator

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    We're still wrapping our heads around the idea that an actual company pays you to interact with other human beings to persuade them to buy products or services. You're going to have to give us some time with that.

    There are a couple of possibilities. Most people are more concerned with things that directly affect their wallets, or their emotions ("woke" issues, etc.). You did not give any examples of foreign issues that were discussed, so maybe people in your customer base are not internationally-oriented and do not have relatives in the affected region. People may be hesitant to bring up a potential hot-button issue in case you might get offended. It is also possible that you give the impression that you might "go off" if the wrong subject is broached, so it is best to stick to safe topics.
     
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  17. chemgator

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    An explosion was reported in a Moscow-area factory that makes optics for the Russian military. Looks like Russia is not going to catch up to Ukraine's advantage in optics and night vision any time soon.

    Massive Explosion Outside Moscow Leaves Dozens Injured

     
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    One of the other uses for this factory was to develop Russia's first 5th generation stealth bomber to compete with the F-35. This could be a serious setback to Russia's wonder-weapons program. Four buildings were completely destroyed, and 20 buildings were damaged.

    Plant in Moscow Oblast that suffered from explosion participated in development of next generation bomber

     
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    Great tragedy befalls Russia: they are running out of tanks, according to satellite images. Russia's massive tank storage area in eastern Siberia has sent 40% of its tanks and armored vehicles to the war.

    Satellite images reveal Russia is running out of tanks

     
  20. sierragator

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    Wouldn't surprise me to learn eventually that even indirectly we had a hand in this. Using the fog of war to conduct black ops behind the lines or support Ukraine's forces to conduct these ops. Of course it being an inside job is also a possibility.