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The Fuhrer removes the Orlando State Attorney from office

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator_lawyer, Aug 9, 2023.

  1. G8tas

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    I guarantee the replacement has some type of ties to the Federalist Society
     
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  2. citygator

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    So Republican leaders try to prohibit democratically elected candidates from taking their position with an insurrection and fraudulently submitted electors at the national level and at the state level they kick out democratically elected officials as well?

    I am going to start a thread an upcoming Civil War. This is bullshit.

    EDIT: Oh I see we already have a Civil War thread. Hm..
     
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  3. GatorJMDZ

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    In an Information that charges a gun charge with a minimum mandatory, there is language to trigger the applicability of the min man, usually something like "did actually possess." If three people rob someone and only one has a gun, the min man only applies to that person, not the other two, but all are guilty of armed robbery and each could be sentenced to life.

    All a prosecutor has to do is amend out the "did actually possess" language and a min man can't be applied legally. The judge still could sentence the robber to three years (or up to life, for that matter) , but no longer as a min man.

    In a trafficking case the State has authority to waive the min man, usually because the defendant rendered substantial assistance to law enforcement. The state can also either amend the Information to possession, possession with intent to distribute or delivery of a controlled substance, depending on the facts. Trafficking is nothing more than exceeding a weight threshold. Possession of 27.5 grams of cocaine is possession, a 5 year felony with no min man. Add another gram to that and it's trafficking, a 30 year felony with a 3 year min man, even if there is zero evidence the person intended to distribute. The min mans generally increase as the weight increases.

    Take another look at what Warren actually said and the status of Florida law at the time...you might change your mind.
     
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  4. gator_lawyer

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    Sounds like a great use of prosecutorial discretion. It gives the judge the discretion to determine the best sentence, rather than our legislature of idiots.
     
  5. HeyItsMe

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    People move to Florida for all myriad of reasons, none that have to do with Desantis. That’s just a simpleton explanation from his supporters who don’t want to critically think. If he was that great and everyone wanted to be like Florida, his poll numbers nationally wouldn’t be in the toilet. Any rational person should no longer be supporting this guy, he is frightening and doing irreparable damage to our state.
     
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  6. docspor

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    the most shocking thing is that his campaign may have made their first non-idiotic move.

    When presented with the choice between two hypothetical Republican candidates, only 24 percent of national Republican voters opted for “a candidate who focuses on defeating radical ‘woke’ ideology in our schools, media and culture” over “a candidate who focuses on restoring law and order in our streets and at the border.”

    Around 65 percent said they would choose the law and order candidate.

    Are G.O.P. Voters Tiring of the War on ‘Wokeness’?
     
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  7. rivergator

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  8. G8trGr8t

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    she criticized desi in the spring while he was flying around the far east and signed one of the two documents that the AG from Tampa did.

    DeSantis suspends state prosecutor who wrote scathing letter criticizing his 'dilapidated' campaign: report - Raw Story - Celebrating 19 Years of Independent Journalism

    In April, Worrell wrote a scathing letter to media in which she said DeSantis was trying "to exploit his political agenda against" her based on her differences of opinion.

    She also wrote the DeSantis "prances around Southeast Asia on his dilapidated presidential campaign tour."
     
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  9. wgbgator

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    As a point of reference, she won like 66% of the vote in her election.
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    Gov. DeSantis suspends State Attorney Monique Worrell (winknews.com)

    Warren and Worrell both signed a letter “condemning the criminalization of transgender people and gender-affirming healthcare” that was published by the organization Fair and Just Prosecution in 2021.


    DeSantis ousted prosecutor Monique Worrell 1 year after Andrew Warren (tallahassee.com)

    Worrell issued a letter in return, admonishing the Governor's office for using back channel methods to try to get the information. She went on to criticize the Governor for interfering with her work to further his own campaign.

    "The Governor had people fishing around Orange and Osceola counties to see which cases he can single out from over 100,000 cases our office has processed since I have taken office, while he prances around Southeast Asia on his dilapidated presidential campaign tour," Worrell wrote in the letter. "He seeks to exploit his political agenda against me."
     
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  11. ursidman

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  12. Vindibudd

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    Quite a few people (including children) are dead because this Prosecutor did not do her job. IDGAF what you think about DeSantis, he did the right thing here.
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    You realize the prosecutor doesnt do anything until after a person is arrested for a crime they committed right? Why arent you blaming the cops for allowing crime to occur in the first place?
     
  14. swampbabe

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    In the Pine Hills case those folks were killed because an Orange County deputy didn’t do HIS job.
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    But you see if anyone who commits a crime was locked up indefinitely, they could never commit more crime
     
  16. swampbabe

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    That kid SHOULD have been in jail and would have been had the deputy properly processed the gun the kid threw out of window in an earlier incident
     
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  17. GatorJMDZ

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    But that's not always a good thing. Florida initially adopted its Sentencing Guidelines to ensure some level of sentencing uniformity throughout the state. Someone caught with an ounce of weed in Miami was paying a fine, get caught with that same bag of weed in north Florida and prison was a distinct possibility. The first sentencing guidelines were adopted in 1983. There were 9 separate worksheets and all crimes were assigned to one of those worksheets. Go through a mathematical calculation and it determined the defendant's cell or sentencing range. The judge was supposed to sentence in that range unless there was valid reason to depart...up or down. There were a couple of subsequent changes in the 90s, but the huge overhaul was in 1998, the Criminal Punishment Code, the system in place today. The legislature has assigned every crime a category rating and every category rating has points assigned to it. The crime with the most points is designated the primary offense, all the others are scored as secondary offenses. Points are assigned for level of victim injury or contact/penetration in a sex case. You get points for prior record and you get additional points if the person was on probation at the time of the new offense. There are some instances were a point multiplier (1.5 times the points) can be applied. Add all the points together, subtract 28 and then multiply by 0.75 (no, I don't know why) and that is the MINIMUM sentence the judge must impose in months unless one of the designated reasons for a downward departure exists. There is, however, no maximum...the judge can legally sentence a first offender who is not even remotely close to scoring out to prison (43 points or less) to the maximum legal sentence. So where does that leave out statewide traveler with an ounce of weed? In Miami-Dade he can pay a fine unless he has a ridiculous amount of prior record points, and in North Florida the judge can give him 5 years in prison, of which he will serve 85% assuming good behavior.
     
  18. wgbgator

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    Indeed, but cops are off limits for criticism in America, so you gotta blame someone else
     
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  19. Vindibudd

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    His biggest problem is that she has allowed dangerous criminals out on the street that should be in prison.

    In March 2023, 5 months ago, while already on probation, Daton Viel was arrested for sexual battery on a minor, as well as Lewd and Lascivious Molestation. He was released on bond.

    This past weekend, Viel shot two Orlando Police Officers and was killed in the process.

    Daton Viel should be in prison, not dead.

    In May 2022, 17-year-old Lorenzo Larry was arrested for carrying a concealed firearm, possession of a firearm on school property, and criminal possession of a firearm by a minor but was released after all of these arrests.
    Worrell’s office didn't do anything with these charges until *after*:

    In November 2022, 17-year-old Lorenzo Larry murdered his pregnant girlfriend, De’Shayla Ferguson.

    In November 2021, Keith Moses was arrested for drug possession. He wasn't charged.
    In February 2023, 19 year-old Keith Moses shot 5 people and murdered TV Reporter Dylon Lyons, 9-year-old T'Yonna Major and 38-year-old Nathacha Augustin.

    Keith Moses should have been in prison for drug possession instead of out murdering people.

    These are just *three* examples of Worrell's abdication of duty.

    So spare me the politics.
     
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  20. G8trGr8t

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    the AG has nothing to do with the bond amount set by the judge.

    the Larry case was compromised by mishandling of evidence by the sheriff's office.

    Desi has been having her investigated since spring when she criticized him. misrepresentation of key facts were used to try and justify removing someone who dared to openly insult and challenge him
     
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