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The Fuhrer removes the Orlando State Attorney from office

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator_lawyer, Aug 9, 2023.

  1. gator_lawyer

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  2. mrhansduck

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    There could be more to this, but one the main things argued by DeSantis and his supporters is that Florida must be doing things right or else people wouldn't be moving here. Does that not apply to areas like Orlando? Has it had a lot of population growth over the years, too? Maybe people want to move to places with Democratic Mayors or with prosecutors who use their discretion in how they run their office?
     
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  3. murphree_hall

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    Seems his biggest problem with her is he feels she is avoiding minimum sentencing, i.e. she isn’t tough enough on crime. I wonder if he will advocate for “at least minimum” sentencing for a certain person if he gets convicted of federal crimes.
     
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  4. BobK89

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    This is bulls--t. While I am not a fan of Rick Scott, when the Orange County SA would not seek the death penalty he moved all of those cases to another county's prosecutor for trial. dear leader doesn't care about running an office, only making points with his culture warrior base.
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    That was also bullshit, this is just a logical escalation of what Rick Scott was doing
     
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  6. orangeblue_coop

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    The usual trash behavior from a trash human being.
     
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  7. BobK89

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    But, I don’t think a prosecutor can say that they’re never going to pursue the death penalty as a blanket statement. It allowed another SAO to investigate and make a decision as to whether to seek the death penalty.

    dear leader doesn’t care about the running of a State Attorney’s Office, he’s just trying to “own the libs.”
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    DeSantis is in(Fuhrer)iating Democrats who want to see their primary political opponent jailed so that he can’t run against them.
     
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  9. wgbgator

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    Why not? Isnt that prosecutorial discretion? The state doesnt seek the death penalty in every case where it could either, even when its a "tough on crime" prosecutor.
     
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  10. BLING

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    They’ve got quotas to fill. Too many woke prosecutors and they won’t hit their numbers.
     
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  11. murphree_hall

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    You don’t think this has anything to do with actual crimes being committed? As a Democrat, I really don’t have any fear or concern about Trump running. If he wins fair and square, so be it. I truly mean that. I can’t, however, stomach the blatant election interference or attempt to stop the certification. This isn’t about party to me, it’s about the future of our country.
     
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    DeSantis is well qualified to put people in place that will seek the death penalty, having done so with his own campaign staff.
     
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  13. BobK89

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    It's fine to not seek the death penalty on a case to case basis. My point is to completely rule out a sentence in all cases, even if the death penalty is justified, isn't a good strategy for a state attorney.
     
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  14. gator_lawyer

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    His biggest problem with her is that she's a Democrat who supports criminal justice reform. His people have spent months looking for a justification to remove her. All of their reasons are pretexts for overturning an election because they don't like the person and policies the voters chose.
     
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  15. gatorchamps960608

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    The DeSantis types think all the credit flows to them when really people continue to come here for the sunshine more than anything else.

    I'm sure a lot of people are moving out now too due to his efforts to destroy the state.
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    That's contradictory, they could opt against the death penalty on a case by case basis all the time, all you are saying is thats cool as long as they dont say in advance that's what they are doing on a blanket basis lol.
     
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    It's funny, you see polling which says that "wokeness" is fading among the base in favor of "law and order"

    Law and order and border security have become stand-ins for “fortitude,” he said, and that is clearly what Republican voters are craving.
    Anti-woke is fading, but immigration is forever - Kevin Drum

    And what do you know

    "The state of Florida is a law and order state," the governor said. "Refusing to faithfully enforce the laws of Florida puts our communities in danger and victimizes innocent Floridians."

    It also helps with the base that he is suspending a black woman elected official
     
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  18. gator_lawyer

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    He put another crony "judge" (a person he appointed to the bench) in place as the new state attorney. This crony immediately had an email ready to send to staff (filled with lies). That only demonstrates that yet again, a member of the "judiciary" was working with DeSantis and his cronies behind the scenes before this removal happened. Corruption.
     
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  19. GatorBen

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    Legally it’s not really a contradictory concept. There’s a fair bit of case law out there for the proposition that a refusal to actually exercise discretion is itself an abuse of discretion.

    It’s generally speaking the idea that an exercise of discretion means looking at a particular set of facts and asking “is it appropriate to do this here or not,” whereas saying “we never have to decide whether it’s appropriate in a given case or not because we’ve adopted a blanket policy that we’re never going to do it no matter what” doesn’t involve exercising discretion at all.
     
  20. mrhansduck

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    I at least understood the concern about the prosecutor who purportedly make a blanket statement that he would not enforce the new abortion law under any circumstance (putting aside whether that's what he actually said or did).

    The complaints here seem to be somewhat different. For example, the article says DeSantis believes this prosecutor has a pattern or practice of trying to avoid minimum mandatory sentences for gun crimes. If they're mandatory, how is this being attempted? And if they're mandatory, have the efforts been successful at all? Wouldn't the judges (who are also subject to being voted out of office and who have their own ethical considerations) have to concur with the prosecutors' arguments that the mandatory minimum doesn't apply for whatever reason? Not clear to me how this has played out practically.
     
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