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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. okeechobee

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  3. chemgator

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    How many American F-35's has Russia shot out of the sky over Ukraine? (Try none.) It's a virtual certainty that the U.S. has been overflying the battlefield and gathering intelligence (most likely at night), and not a single F-35 has been shot down. (The F-35 is also a better airplane and a stealthier one than the F-117.) What's your excuse?

    One difference is that the U.S. (or Europe) would be fighting with 21st century weapons, while Russia continues to fight with Vietnam-era (1960's) weapons up to 1980's weapons. Another difference: as China recognizes the futility of supporting Russia, there are no significant countries left to use Russia as a proxy to fight the west. Where is Russia going to get their weapons and ammo? They are running out of money to make their own. Iran and China stopped sending weapons once the checks started bouncing. North Korea's leader is too crazy to part with his weapons, because he might need them at any moment to fight the U.S. Are you waiting on Venezuela to start sending artillery shells to Moscow?

    And we've already demonstrated that American 1980's-era weapons are far better than Russia's 1980's weapons (as well as their 1990's weapons, their 2000's weapons, their 2010's weapons, etc.). A smart person would figure out that our 2020's weapons are almost certainly much better than Russia's crappy weapons.

    Russia wouldn't just be fighting out of its back yard--they would be losing out of their back yard. The primitive barbarians of Russia would be destroyed.
     
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  4. okeechobee

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    The interesting thing about Russia's crackdown on LGBTQ++~-/ is that it is not religiously driven. He's just like "yeah, that Bud Light shit? Yeah, that's not gonna happen here." (whatever that sounds like in Russian with a bunch of laughing)
     
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  5. chemgator

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    Are you out of your mind? If Russia does not capture Kiev and all of the major cities in Ukraine, there is always the risk that Ukraine rebuilds its army and continues the war at a future time, possibly at a time when Russia is further weakened by some other foolishness of Putin. It clearly was not a "feint". Russia clearly wanted to capture Kiev. Russia didn't voluntarily retreat from Kiev--they were pushed back. They over-extended their supply lines, and had to retreat. Why else would they leave so much equipment (tanks, etc.) behind? Most of the 545 tanks that Ukraine captured were during that retreat. There is no guarantee that the instability and violence would stop at the Dneiper River.

    Besides all that, it would be dangerous for Putin to settle for a small strip of land in the south and east of Ukraine. It leaves Crimea and other locations away from the Russia border too vulnerable to a sudden attack by Ukraine. It would be too easy to cut off Crimea and Kherson from the rest of the Russian military. It would be too expensive to keep the entire Russian army (conscripts and all) in Ukraine indefinitely, so they will have to secure whatever they want to keep with 10-20% of the troops they currently have there.

    On top of all that, the biggest prizes (and yes, Putin does think of this war in terms of "prizes") in Ukraine are Kiev and Odessa (outside of Crimea). It would be humiliating for Putin to accept any part of Ukraine that does not include those cities.
     
  6. l_boy

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    Trick question?

    At some point you just can’t take him seriously. His level of apology towards Putin is almost enough to make him a Russian troll. The assertions are preposterous.

    He literally thinks Russia put all those resources out there, people and equipment, to be sitting ducks, and embarrassingly demolished while sitting stuck in the mud, it was all a 3 dimensional chess giant head fake by Putin. And the fact that the Russian retreat buoyed the confidence of the Ukrainians and motivated the west to back them with billions in resources is all part of the master plan.

    I’m not sure even Duggers Dad could come up with something so ridiculous.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    I estimate that Russia has shot down zero out of the zero F-35s that have flown over the battlefield.

    "It's not just Greenert, it's across the naval aviation community: They're just not that into the F-35," said Richard Aboulafia, vice president for analysis at the Teal Group.”

    Analysts: Navy brass view F-35C's stealth as overrated
     
  8. duggers_dad

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    I hear the armored column outside of Kyiv was long enough to reach around the earth three times.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    My fellow comrade and I are up against people who believe(ed) that …

    Russia intended to capture a city of four million with 30k troops.

    That those troops were frostbitten and had to eat zoo animals to stay alive.

    Also that they murdered their own sympathizers when they pulled out.

    That the Ghost of Kyiv was real.

    And that the Russians fired a Ukrainian missile from Ukrainian territory at its own sympathizers.

    That it fired a missile at two Polish farmers.

    And that it is staging genocide by firing multi-million dollar precision missiles at apartment buildings.

    That it lost twice as many troops as had entered theatre as of last fall.

    And that the few surviving Russian troops took Bakhmut armed only with shovels.

    You can’t make this up.

    But they can.
     
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    FDR told Americans that he’d never send our boys overseas and then he sent our boys overseas because if he didn’t Americans would be speaking Germans the next day and Americans believed him.

    Also Americans: couldn’t find Ukraine on a map until just last year.
     
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    “Being informed” does not mean someone who digests the same crap for the same bogus, agenda-driven drivel over and over again. That’s being brainwashed.
     
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    The irony of this statement is rich.
     
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  16. OklahomaGator

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    Anyone who has ever played the game of Risk can find Ukraine on a map.:):)
     
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  17. okeechobee

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    Who knew, among other things, Kramer was a Putin apologist before anybody knew who Putin was.
     
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    Also Kamchatka.
     
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  19. OklahomaGator

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    And no Russia!
     
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  20. duggers_dad

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    Russia is getting easier to find on the map. It’s getting bigger!