Ohio voters have abortion amendment on ballot.

until you are attacked……

5….4….3…..2…..

 

LOL ... do you understand the concept of having rights, but with reasonable limitations? Like you have freedom of speech, but you can't yell "fire" in crowded theater ... you have the right to buy a gun, but not a machine gun? I believe that viability is a good legal cut off point for abortion in most cases.

 

One interesting aspect is that of the groups that are opposing requiring 60% to amend the constitution, many of those groups require a vote of 60% of their members to change their own bylaws.

 

Another interning point is that the groups pushing to change the law to 60% know they are the minority opinion on the abortion issue and are trying to circumvent the majority opinion….

 

you don’t get to add conditions after you already made a fool of yourself with your ignorant proclamation. But if you want to go that route, I will play long. You get to name your condition, which you have just done, and I get to name my condition. Fair?

 

There is another aspect to today's Issue One in Ohio that is not being discussed much. In addition to raising the minimum vote requirement from 50 to 60%, it would also require that:

"The amendment would also require that any initiative petition filed after Jan. 1 that seeks to change the Ohio Constitution be signed by at least 5% of the electors of each of Ohio's 88 counties."

Currently they only have to get petitions signed in 45 counties. If it were to pass, Issue One would also make proposed amendments more difficult and expensive to get on a ballot.

What to know about Ohio's Issue 1 in today's special election — and what it could mean for abortion rights

 

A lot of people are absolutely and understandably outraged that a relatively small segment of the population has temporarily gained so much authority over a woman's autonomy over her body. At this point, whatever it takes to undo this should be done. The people in EVERY state should rise up and put an end to this.

 

You misspelled “lawyer”

 

Cool story bro…

 

It’s an interesting field of study. I believe it was the founding of public choice theory in the 1960s that first explicitly differentiated regular decisions from decisions on decision rules (a distinction which was already implicit in the US constitution). This group came to the opposite conclusion of what is possibly occurring here, noting that decisions regarding decisions rules should always require a higher voting threshold than regular decisions. Asking 50.1% of the people if it is ok to bar 59.9% of the people from enacting a regular law is precisely backwards.

 

That is exactly how the English language works. Not all those who are in favor of leaving the choice to those involved and keeping government out of people's private lives are supportive of abortion. Many of them believe abortion is a terrible thing, but they are willing to give others the freedom to choose for themselves what those people will do.

Which is why pro abortion is the wrong label, and pro choice is the correct label.

 

The voters have spoken, and they have said, "You're not stripping power away from us, feckless legislature."

 

You'd be surprised.

 

Best link I can find so far. If someone has a better one, please drop it for us...

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/your-local-election-hq/ohio-issue-1-election-live-results/

 

Multiple sources saying Issue 1 has failed, the pro choice amendment will be decided by 50%…. Sweet…

 

Here's another

 

As I’ve said over and over, there are a lot of voters who like Democratic policies but just don’t like Democratic politicians. Republican policies are not popular at all.

 

That is a much higher barrier with the concentration of thought that is occurring

 

Similarly there are people who are opposed to elective abortions but are concerned that the draconian anti-abortion laws being enacted by Republican legislatures could very well have the effect of deterring doctors from performing medically necessary procedures or of waiting until the life of a woman is actually in jeopardy when it would have been prudent to perform the procedure sooner.