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What excuse have I laid out?

 

Don’t let these guys bully you out of here. This is what they do. I have enjoyed your fresh takes in here.
Appreciate you.

 

Who Are the Most Educated Women in America? Black Women

 

I am really enjoying it, these guys have me laughing. Majority don’t know what they are talking about. Then keep wanting to make excuses and move the narrative and pick apart what I’m saying because it’s foreign to them. It goes against everything they heard, read, and been feed to them because they are not involved in these kids or mothers lives.

I appreciate you as well.

 

Yeah, that's a misleading claim. They're talking about relative to their race-gender group. Basically, when Black women are compared to Black men, they are more educated relatively speaking than white women compared to white men and so on and so forth with other groups. If we're looking purely at population, they are not the most educated group.
Raising Undergraduate Degree Attainment Among Black Women and Men Takes on New Urgency Amid the Pandemic - The Education Trust
Our previous work identified a 17 percentage point gap in educational attainment between Black (30.7%) and White adults (47.1%). This disparity persists when we examine educational attainment by gender. Slightly more than half of White women (51.4%) have a college degree, compared to 36.1% of Black women. That’s a 15 percentage point gap. The gap is even wider among men: 44.3% of White men have a college degree versus just 26.5% Black men — a gap of 18 percentage points.
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What does this mean in the context of your conversation? I don't know.

 

Black women are the highest demographic group educated in America, your numbers come from whites and blacks as whole which involves black men and black women. Black men bring the numbers down for the black community in terms of education. If you breakdown each demographic in terms of race and gender or sex you have black women on top and have been that way for about a decade. Your numbers are skewed.

 

That's not accurate. My source specifically found that 51.4% of white women have college degrees, while only 36.1% of Black women do. Those statistics remove men entirely from the equation. I believe either Asian men or Asian women are the most educated demographic.

 

I have found different articles on this subject and different perspectives and statistics claiming that black women lead. I don’t know what to believe at this point.

Black women become most educated group in US

 

That article linked to these statistics:
Fast Facts: Degrees conferred by race/ethnicity and sex (72)

They don't support the premise. This is from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics:
Women more likely than men to have earned a bachelor's degree by age 31 : The Economics Daily: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

 

Great Society and women/feminism

 

I claimed that these started what we are seeing today. I still didn’t make it as an excuse because I’ve specifically said that black people are making choices to do these things to put them into the positions they are in. I only mentioned as a start and what the community is choosing.

Just because Florida starts a game at noon won’t be an excuse as to whether we win or loose a ballgame. Unless you are a person who likes making excuses. Nice try though.

 

Not quite. Several times you wrote that GS was a deliberate plan to break the black community. To use your analogy, this would be equivalent to you saying that the SEC compelled a Noon start in 1965 to deliberately hurt UF's football team this year. Still haven't explained how GS caused the problems we see now or why some of those problems worsened prior to GS. Solve that conundrum and you'll be thinking more clearly.

 

It’s poor wording in the articles that may be the source of confusion, the stat is that 66% of bachelors degrees awarded to blacks, are going to black women, not that 66% of black women are earning degrees. This is purely the disparity between men and women. In general, there are now more women attending college than men, it’s shocking levels now, like 60% overall. I guess the gender disparity is largest among blacks with less black men finding their way to college. Women’s fault? Just seems crazy that educated women are sabotaging their children’s futures. Makes no sense if you just think about it.

Overall, less black students attend college than the overall population, and since 2012 the trend has actually gone the wrong direction (after decades of slow but steady positive progress). Of course there has been some pushback against college education among other groups as well (MAGA base which is predominantly white), so it will be interesting to see how that all shakes out in 10-20 years.

 

The Great Society was a deliberate plan for to incentivize black women to choose for black men not to be in the homes. However, black women still had a choice to make, so it’s not an excuse.

Case in point, I’m in Brazil right now and every time I walk somewhere I get offered some form of drugs. I have yet to accept the drugs being offered because I still have a choice to live drug free. It’s still a choice and it’s not an excuse if I were to get hooked on drugs, just because someone offered them to me.

Again, the uptick you speak on the 1950s of black women having babies out of wedlock was only about 3%. Children were born in a two parent household at 88%. By 1965 it was at 85%. By 1990 it was down to 30%. Now, it’s at 15%. From the early 1900s to 1965 the rate stayed in 80%, it actually went below 85% in the 30s. Then, back up in the 40s. However, there has been a stark decline since 1965. You can double down all you want, but you are just plain wrong on this subject. So, unless you can make another reasonable point for why the black community is in the situation it’s in then there’s no more reason to respond to you.

 

As far as the allegation that the GS was purposely designed to hurt black families, wouldn't it have also disincentivized White, Hispanic, and Asian women from having men in their homes, too? Or is the argument that the Black community was more susceptible to the purported adverse effects of government assistance because they had higher rates of poverty relative to other groups?

If the below numbers are correct, the percentage of single parent homes have more than doubled for White Americans over the last 50 years. Black Americans started with a much higher percentage and still have a higher percentage, but their rate of increase is not quite as high.

Living arrangements of children by race/ethnicity, 1970-2022

Between 1970 and 2022, the proportion of children living with their mothers in single-parent households increased from 7.8% to 16.7% for white youth and from 29.5% to 45.6% for Black youth. For children of Hispanic ethnicity, the proportion living with their mother in single-parent households increased from 19.6% in 1980 to 24.5% in 2022.

 

The family structure as a whole has been devalued along the American culture. But no the GS was not deliberately trying to hurt white families and Hispanics weren’t on the radar in 1965.

The biggest problem resulting from the Great Society is the breakdown of the black family. This is a sensitive subject, but one that must be broached to fully understand the devastating impact that the Great Society has had on the black community in the United States. You guys don’t fully want to understand or grasp this because again it goes against everything you’ve heard and have been fed by todays media. You want to look to place black people in a victim mentality.

In 1965, when the Great Society began in earnest following the massive electoral landslide reelection of LBJ, the out-of-wedlock birthrate among the black community was 15 percent. By 2017, this figure had risen to a whopping 77 percent. In some cities, this rate is as high as 80 percent, with most of the unwed mothers being teenagers. The negative effects of the single-parent household on child development and outcomes has been a detriment to the black community. The black community is now entering its third generation of single parenthood as the norm, something that rose astronomically with the advent of the Great Society.

To provide some historical context and as I stated earlier to @mutz87 in which he has this stuck in his head, the out-of-wedlock birth rate in the black community was already rising before the Great Society. In 1938, that rate stood at 11 percent. Still, it’s worth noting the difference between the slow and steady increase of 1938 to 1965, and the explosive growth from 1965 until the present day. In any event, black women were more likely to be married than white women as late as 1950. It’s also worth looking at single parenthood over time: In the 1950s, 52 percent of all black children lived with both parents until the age of 17. By the 1980s, that number had plummeted to 6 percent.

In addition to outcomes, there is also a wide divide between the percentage of black families in poverty when there is a father present. Among married black families, the poverty rate is 8 percent. Among black households headed by a single mother, that rate jumps to to almost 40 percent. You can’t deny this phenomenon and the issues it creates when 80 percent of black children are being born this way in which puts black children with an almost 50 percent chance to be born in poverty.

And again, while there is an outline a number of negative consequences resulting from single-parent families, it’s worth pulling one out in relation to the destruction of the black family in America: There is no better predictor of male criminality than being raised in a fatherless home. 70 percent of all juvenile offenders in state reform institutions were raised in fatherless homes. In which, I am trying to get into @BLING head, this includes 60 percent of all rapists, 72 percent of all murderers, and 70 percent of long-term inmates. So, yes, the percentage of young black children in gangs and other criminal activity would be lower if they were fathers in the homes. They join these gangs because a lack of sense of belonging in their own homes.

Finally as I stated before, A Nation Can Rise No Higher Than The Moral Position Of Its Women. This plan was deliberate and it worked as LBJ stated, "I'll have those n****** voting Democratic for 200 years." Right now, since black women are the heads of the black community, black women vote Democratic at a 98% rate. Because they are incentivized to by the programs still in place today as a result of the GS. However, they make that choice because of what they value.

 

I know how the trends have gone. Not disputing that out of wedlock births increased at a higher rate after 1965. But you keep on claiming that Great Society was the cause and that it was deliberate.

So let's be more specific, how did Great Society cause an already upward trend to increase at a higher rate?

And what Great Society policies exactly were deliberate attempts to harm black people?

I also have to ask, how do you explain out of wedlock birth rates increasing by 3.3x between 1966 and 1990 for white women compared to only 1.7x for black women over the same period? Looked at in this way, maybe we should say that Great Society was deliberately planned to break white women?

Not only that, we must still to consider why black women have had considerably higher rates of out of wedlock births than white women for as long as we've been keeping those numbers

Also, why isn't single-parenthood a problem within the middle and upper classes in the same way that it is with poor people (of any race or ethnicity)?

And to go back to an earlier point, this is in part, exactly what the Moynihan Report identified--literally warning that absent fathers and out of wedlock childbirths would be getting worse for blacks, but that in 1965, it was already a worsening problem. Not all blacks, but rather, for those mired in urban poverty,where problems are unmistakably acute.

Here's the thing, your Great Society argument doesn't fit the data or history, and you've yet to provide any evidence that identifies this intent to harm, despite the record being absolutely clear the intention was the exact opposite.

You were at least on better grounds with your feminism argument, if because underlying the move away from marriage and to increasing single-motherhood can be attributed to changing norms & attitudes about women's rights and sexual liberation within a self-serving (for men) patriarchal society.

One other thing, where did you get that 88% number from? I've never seen any number that high.

 

If that's true, aren't you doing the same? You're simply assigning blame to different policies/actors. I don't think any of us are denying the existence of choice. The differences between your side and the other side seems to be what has put people in the position to make the wrong choices.

 

You’re just really searching at this point and looking for a reason not to say you know what man maybe you’re right on this.

As I stated on my previous post, The Great Society was deliberate to get the black community to under the Democratic Party which they have succeeded with that. Reread the LBJ quote on what he said he will have what he called the black community to be voting towards the next 200 years.

With regards to the polices put in place to hurt the black community,
There is another statistic that is significant when it comes to evaluating the role of the Great Society in the destruction of the black family and, by extension, black society: participation in the labor market.

This is an important metric for a very simple reason: Few would argue that it’s better to not work than to work. Data provided by every census between 1890 and 1954 shows that black Americans were just as active – and sometimes more – in the labor market than their white counterparts. In 1900, for example, black unemployment was 15 percent lower than white unemployment. In 2017, it was 30 percent higher.

If the conventional narrative on black American poverty and general social dysfunction were correct – that this was caused by the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, and private discrimination – wouldn’t we expect to see a decline in black unemployment rather than the opposite?

The policies were put in place to incentivize not working and living off government assistance in the black community and in order to receive these benefits it is and was better to be in single parent household.

Again, you’re just searching, instead of continuing to ask why, ask about the way forward. And how to help this solution instead trying to stomp me which you can’t because you’re not as versed on this issue.

 

I am not placing blame on anyone else accept the people inside the black community.

Case in point, if I don’t do well in my life, then it’s no one else’s fault than my very own. There’s ownership on my part in my life to succeed. So, for the community in which I come from, there’s no excuse not to succeed. It’s our fault of where we are and where we end up going forward. Again, no excuses and I have not been making excuses for our actions.

We had choices with the GS, we chose our fate, we had choices in the cocaine era, we chose our fate, we had choices in the gang era, we chose our fate. Those are not excuses. We decided to do these things.