Back to blaming women again? You are basically saying strong black women are both turning their kids into little bitches and not allowing the father to be involved? This is perhaps the most bizarre perspective I’ve seen on this. I don’t have experience with inner city youth to be sure, but for the kids in gangs i doubt very much it is because their matriarchal career woman mother was too strong and wouldn’t let the respectable and hard working father get involved. The father is absent for other reasons (gang, prison, has other kids with other women) and the vast majority of such women weren’t in the “strong” category. I agree with you the solution can mostly only come from working with the children, but it isn’t as if people’s aren’t trying. As Lebron’s school shows…it ain’t easy. I think the explanation is even simpler than whatever it is you are trying to attribute to feminism to the Great Society. I just don’t see a convincing link. What I do see as a major issue, not unlike the frustrations from the MAGA base of agitated whites, is the hollowing out of “easy” middle class jobs like working in factories. The path to middle class success is much harder for all than 50 years ago, if not nearly impossible in expensive urban environments unless you have either a professional white collar or health care job, or 2 income household. The % of blacks that do this can get by, those that don’t, don’t just struggle a little bit, they face abject poverty and a tremendous wealth gap in a high cost of living environment. I think the problem is the exact opposite from the “matriarchal strong mother”, actually it’s the poorest kids running wild and unsupervised and eventually they find gangs or the gangs find them.
You have no clue what you’re talking about on this subject. It’s best to quit while you’re ahead. You admittedly don’t have any dealings with inner city children, yet you going to tell me and inform me on the issues. This is pretty much the premise of the award winning, true life documentary, Idiocracy.
Stan, you may have to type a little louder. These libbies can’t hear you very well being so high up in their ivory towers. Seriously glad you came over to too hot to give perspective. It’s badly needed for these guys/gals who likely have no experience in the real world.
I never said a majority but at least a quarter of young black males were either paroled or incarcerated during the course of that period due to the drug trade. Those are catastrophic numbers. Prison populations doubled
They truly love to look for any excuse and play the victims. They are all so smart but yet we still have issues in our society trying to protect everyone’s feelings and falling under the new matriarchal regime where everything is about we all feel.
And you do I see? I’ve worked in inner city schools. I was reared in a low ses neighborhood. I don’t claim to know exactly what it’s like to walk in a poor black kids shoes. I’m just calling all these libbie “experts” out as they likely have no clue about the reality on the street and in these households.
Yes, the statistics show that after 1965, there was a steep decline in two-parent households. Not disagreeing on that. You've yet to reckon with what was going on before 1965, either in the decade or two before or the larger complicated history that caused incredible black poverty and disadvantage. You can't just look at after. Bling already wrote to what I would have regarding women. All I say is that your blame is misplaced, and I write this having discussed some of the negative consequences of feminism in compelling a more equal and just society. Why do you have to make this personal about what I'm doing or not? I'll answer your question in this way. I am confident in saying that in my two plus decade career and in my volunteer service in the community, I've focused on issues related to and specific to what we're discussing. What I won't do is get into a pissing match about it.
I haven’t discussed or reckon with what happened before 1965 because it’s not the issue with what’s going on now. Poverty issues are not the caused of why the black community is poor now because of what happened 70 and 80 years ago. It has no bearings, it’s just excuses and allows the black community to play the victim. My blame is not misplaced, again statistics show you were the blame should be placed. You just have to be honest. I make it personal because I’m not going back and forth with people who don’t do any work in the communities currently. How are you going to know the issues when you’re not there talking to these kids and listening to their stories and issues? Yet you’re going to go back and forth with a person who does put his own time, money, passion, and never cried or begged for funding back into communities.
True. I have no experience being poor. You got me. Unfortunately it’s obvious you don’t know what you are taking about either, if you are going to blame “feminism” for inner city poverty. Looking for excuses. You mean like blaming women for certain men’s failings? Your whole schtick is literally scapegoating “the matriarchy”
Feminism is the reason why black men are not in the homes of these children. Black men are not breaking up the homes of black families. The black women are to blame and it is not an excuse when it’s the reason. Again, you know not of what you’re talking about it’ll be best if you just sit back and read and open your misguided mind.
You'll blame a policy that was passed 58 years ago on today's problems but somehow a decade or two before that is irrelevant? How is that even reasonable? Anyway, as a cause and effect issue, the cause cannot come after the effect...and that effect--i.e. increasing single motherhood/out of wedlock births started prior to 1965. You can't just wish it away as unimportant for your argument to hold up. If you identified specific effects from Great Society in, say, contributing to making matters worse, that's a different story. Still would require being able to support it with facts and data. But it's not what you've argued. Maybe you should be fighting for funding into communities? That you don't shows a big blind imo spot in your understanding of the very things you purport to know more than anyone here. Still not going to get into a pissing match. Nothing I have to prove to you, or anyone else for that matter.
Your blame here is clearly misplaced and misguided. I bring up The Great Society as effecting the black community because its policies are still in place today. Feminism and black woken valuing education, careers, money, over Black Men and Families is still alive today. Jim Crow, The Black Codes and slavery are not being employed that’s why I reject your baseless claim of it effected the Black community now. The numbers prove my point and claim as well as black women are the most educated (even though the majority of their degrees don’t lead to making more money), black women lead in the single mother category, black women lead in receiving government aid as well. These are all things resulting from the Great Society. The blame is here with us, myself included in the black community. We cannot sit back and blame others for our issues and problems. Black women chose education, jobs, and careers over the Black men. Black men are the blame as well because we allowed it to happen. We allowed the women to lead our communities and that goes against every form of nature. I am not trying to go back and forth with you either I’m tired of the excuses.
Instead of repeating yourself like a bot, why don’t you explain HOW feminism is doing this, rather than expecting us to just take your word as fact? Earlier on the thread, you stated two income households are positive (educated women and women in the workforce are post-feminism gains, so your arguments appear quite irreconcilable to me if you do in fact think educated and income earning women are a good thing). If “feminism is the problem”, and you actually think it’s the “strong matriarchal women” that are root of the problem, what do you think solves that? I’d be curious to hear it. The idea these women are pushing away “would be good fathers”, while their kids joins gangs is a ridiculous claim on its face. Do you have support for this?
Heck, you can leave out Jim Crow and slavery but you still haven't explained what caused the trends in single parent homes/out of wedlock births to begin a considerable increase upward prior to 1965. Maybe it's better to stop looking at things in terms of blame and start looking at it through the lens of cause & effect. Blaming seems to be leading you to do the very thing you are now saying you're tired of: excusing.
