The Four Pillars of Medical Ethics

Perhaps in a vacuum when the choices of the individual do not impact others. The better question is do these 4 “ethics” also apply to preserving the most number of lives, including that of the healthcare progressional?

I don’t personally proscribe to situational ethics.

There is food for thought if these four pillars have overtly considered a woman’s right to chose and at the same time are parsed by politics to create uber ethics on life of a child that conflict with these four pillars.

 

It certainly was a head-scratcher to behold hardcore feminists abandoning their “my body, my choice.”

 

If pregnancies were contagious, we’d probably see abortion gum and chocolates in the checkout lines.

 

Nothing is contagious. Except yawning and panic. The people charged with protecting us decided to panic and further, to enforce its disastrous effects.

 

Your standing objection is noted, Sir.

 

Actually, I should have been more clear. I was talking about vaccines. Feminists have long argued that ‘forces births’ were an infringement of bodily autonomy. But too many of them would not accord that right to those who objected to vaccination.

 

Is it just me or does OP make posts that aren't about covid yet always find themselves to be about covid?

 

I get more props in stunts than Bruce Willis.

Can't believe nobody had you on that one.

 

Well, so-called Covid does mark the stupidest epoch in history. So until we have more threads about Covid than threads ranting on DeSantis …

 

I'm thinking that these negative reppers are the same people. They negative rep like a mob... might even be bots.

When hospital administrators all over our country will NOT allow you to set foot in "their" hospital for treatment, unless you are jabbed with their overload's invented experimental toxin, we all know what the deal is...

 

“First Do Harm.”

 

Oh I knew what you meant, and I was being half funny about your persistent argument that nothing is contagious. I feel like you really believe that so it’s a bit intriguing, but I don’t want to debate it every time you say it in part because I don’t have a science background and others are better suited to make counter points.

I think abortion is almost always a tough analogy with anything. Personally, I don’t like the idea of criminalizing someone getting or not getting medical treatment or taking or not taking drugs. Of course, millions of Americans chose not to get vaccinated. As far as I know, they weren’t held down and injected and they weren’t incarcerated. But there’s a long tradition of vaccination requirements in schools or in certain jobs. And sometimes exemptions are allowed, too.

If I thought viruses were fake, I obviously wouldn’t support vaccines. If you were to be convinced they’re real and that vaccines would save lives, you might see those promoting them in a little different light.

 

If I were transported to yesteryear, I’d find myself embedded in a culture which regarded blacks as inferior and a necessary means of production.

Being a product of my time, I cannot say with confidence that I’d have been onboard with abolition.

Think about contagion and virology when I portray slavery as the settled science of its time.

Think about virologists when pondering the costs to plantation owners who’d advocate for abolition.

I’m not saying that virologists are evil. I am saying that the viability of their profession is sacrosanct to them, not to be challenged, any challenge turned back by an appeal to authority.

Also, was anybody tied down and vaccinated ? Perhaps not. But immense pressure was brought to bear. And I don’t know whether the many who lost their jobs would appreciate the distinction.

I myself walked away from a job after it implemented a vaccine mandate.

 

I don’t consider the support for slavery to have been based on science. People justified it out of fear or hatred or invoked economic, moral, or religious arguments. Not sure what settled science you reference there which could have been observed, studied, and replicated. African Americans were no doubt Homo sapiens or else biracial people wouldn’t have existed.

Good for you for sticking to your guns about your job. I’d note that lots of people have lost jobs - and even been incarcerated - for taking the wrong kinds of drugs.

 

Don’t call it science then. Call it a foundational practice. The implications of the belief in contagion are foundational practices.

Contagion in my view has the force of religion, the outgrowth of which is to regard others as disease vectors. It fosters hate and division and all manner of horrid acts and beliefs. Recall that Noam Chomsky wanted the unvaccinated to be starved to death.

 

The reason I think contagion is a scientific claim is reflected by the fact that you make scientific and evidence-based arguments against it. You just say they’re wrong about the evidence and the studies. You’re not contending science can’t answer the question. You’re saying science is on your side. That’s not analogous to a religious belief IMO.

 

Are we getting too far afield ?

Slavery - accepted practice.

Virology - implications of which are accepted practices.

 

I don't know where you got your information on that, but the suicide rate actually declined during the pandemic and reversed a decades long increase. It's a phenomenon that has been observed in other times of crisis. There are some links within this article https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/04/pandemic-suicide-rate-decline/673798/

So lives were saved and suicides declined.

 

No lives were saved from a fictitious pathogen. On the other hand, as an example, upwards of 30,000 were killed by iatrogenesis (ventilators, etc) in April alone. Add +213k more died at home in 2020 than in 2019, with the CDC acknowledging that 90% of those were not from fake virus. People were actually more afraid of dying of fake virus than dying. Homicides spiked. Even car fatalities increased. In short, all excess mortality can be explained without reference to a virus.

 

Covid is real, just like small pox, ebola, influenza, polio and all the other viruses we have overcome with vaccines. I can't believe I am having to write that.