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It won't work and is effectively only a bandaid right now because it's not nearly close to being enough financial and other resources and has never been enough to fix what plagues poor communities and thus individuals in those communities. Points to how deep and entrenched the problems truly are.

Specific to black poverty, I honestly don't think it can be accurately viewed without understanding the course of history that brought us to this point.

I kind of answered your question prior to your asking it in discussing that history.

Entrenched black poverty in urban centers and in small cities was the result of the Great Migration and widespread racism and discrimination in the north and continued Jim Crow discrimination and oppression in the south. The Great Migration was the result of Jim Crow and legalized oppression of blacks in the south, causing economic dislocation and further erosion of the "black family unit." Jim Crow was in response to emancipation and reconstruction and emancipation was of millions of blacks who weren't even considered fully human but chattel property.

Rates of black single female-headed households have always been quite a bit higher than for whites based on census numbers. But they both started increasing Post WWII, which was well before Great Society welfare and were the result of changing social conditions. So in effect what changed was not from Great Society, but the social conditions in the US that began in the 1950s and kind of came to a head in the 1960s.

In the 1960s, we saw the rise of urban black gangs and spiking street crime, an explosion of the drug trade, and then our response a decade later with emergence of the war on drugs and mass incarceration, which decimated these communities even more. A drug war, mind you, that has lasted over four decades.

This deep history is very much a part of our present situation and goes an extremely long way in differentiating black poverty and in many respects and why it is much worse, even if poverty itself is cause for numerous negative effects for all those trapped in it, regardless of race or ethnic background etc.

 

Ok, most wouldn’t disagree with the history.
Why is it helpful to discuss the background? Do you think it helpful to changing the inner city struggles?
I don’t see it.

 

Mainly because--IMO--people are misunderstanding the problem in the first place, leading to treating the symptoms (i.e. effects) rather than addressing the causes.

That's why talking about values such as needing a father in the home isn't going to fix absentee fathers. And if we don't understand the causes of absentee fathers, then policies addressing the problem are almost certain to fail.

 

I’m going to keep this short and simple for you. Nothing has hurt the black community more than the Great Society and the feminist movement.

A Nation Can Rise No Higher Than The Moral Position Of Its Women.

Just look at who is leading the Black Community now, it’s lead by a predominantly matriarch.

 

The entire premise comes off as nonsensical. He says “throwing money and resources” isn’t going to help, and we should stop. But we should do intensive one on one therapy!? This makes no sense, unless he thinks therapists and teachers work for free. In reality, this would require massive investment in mental health resources. Pretty dubious considering we, as a society, fail to treat genuinely mentally ill people “one on one”. It’s amusing to think the solution for all societies ills is to have inner city poor folks and gangbangers sit on the couch and meet with a psychotherapist. That’s definitely a TooHot first!

I’m all for using whatever novel programs that try to turn people’s lives around or get them off the streets and back in the classroom or into jobs training. But resources are *very* scarce on the therapy front. Unfortunately some can only seem to fall back into “how it used to be” platitudes about family values, and if i’m reading correctly he also seems to be pushing a “woman’s place is in the home” thing which is honestly pretty gross in 2023.

 

Seems all you have is pushback on the traditional values front. What solutions can you offer?
We all agree it’s a tricky situation. You and Mutz seem to be on the same page but neither of you have made suggestions to repair these cultural problems.

 

You may be right but you’re still just dancing. I’d like to hear what we could do to fix it. You say people aren’t treating the root problem….how do we help all families, especially blacks keep free family unit together. How do we assist them in placing values like family, education as top priority?
I’m still listening…but you’re just dancing around it.

 

Take their guns!!

 

I have made my stance quite clear on this.

Also, at what point have I remotely stated that a woman’s place in the home? I firmly believe (Being a proud capitalist) that a two household income is better than one. Again, all these poverty issues that has been spewed on this topic would be solved by a two income household and why I think it’s important the family structure to stay together.

The way it’s going now is not working. Instead getting caught up on words and being sensitive towards my point. Why don’t you try to breakdown the logic on what I said?

The therapy is for these children that we have now to combat the trauma caused by their parents. If we fix the single parent household issue we won’t have this problem because the children will have the stability needed to prosper with life. Then you won’t have to keep continuously pouring money and resources to this issue for generations.

 

“Fix the single parent problem”. Yea. Get right on that will you? America’s right likes to scapegoat single mothers.

 

Who is deciding to be a single a mother in the black community? And no I’m not talking about abortion either. Keep that out of the discussion.

 

You said “fix” single parent households was the answer. How do you propose to do that?

I’m predicting your answer has to do with pulling up bootstraps.

 

No, you really haven’t been clear at all. You’ve given some empty platitudes that kids need “therapy” and the root of all ills is “feminism”, which is what I took to mean you wanted woman in the home with child. Otherwise I’m not sure what your attack on feminism had to do with anything.

If your point was merely that it’s more optimal for both parents to raise the child vs the single mother, then of course that is more ideal. Just as having 2 stable incomes would likely lead to higher socioeconomic status vs. a single income or absent father. But I’m not seeing how that’s actually accomplished by anything you have suggested. Essentially you have stated a complaint. You have not actually offered a viable solution or fix, other than wishing your desired outcome. You skipped the “how do we get there” portion of the programming.

 

I caught that. A big part of the conservative argument can be read as pining for a traditional patriarchal structure, hence the criticism of feminism thrown in there. Bottom line, however, is the problem is about a severe lack of resources from which everything else flows.

 

You'd just have to ignore all of history. Great Society didn't fix the problems it sought to, but it was not a cause of the problems that already existed in the first place. I think you keep missing the part about the problems already existing...not to mention, actually getting worse throughout the 1950s, which is before Great Society.

 

You didn't ask me how I would fix the problem, but whether or why understanding history would be helpful.

Fixing the problem would require big structural changes, including things like guaranteed work or income, and educational, and general community resources (including better housing, healthcare, and community infrastructure) at far higher amounts than currently provided since, again, the problems associated with single-motherhood etc. are not simplistically about values, but about differences in resources.

FWIW, a majority of single female headed households are actually middle-class and the differences in outcomes for these children compared to children of poor single mothers are firstly about differences in socioeconomic factors.

 

But I did ask you how as well. Twice. No worries.
Thanks for your reply. You believe that the floor could be lifted with a massive amount of tax dollars.
Wishful thinking and possibly a gigantic waste of money if it doesn’t work.
The govt has a long history of messing things up more than they originally were. I don’t think you’ll fix the problem we’re discussing with govt behind the wheel.

 

All I'm saying is that is what would be required.

On the other hand, we certainly cannot fix the problem with sloganeering about values or through private charity either.

 

And this why I think the problem is irreparable.
No way the amount of tax increases needed would get approved.
And just hoping people will change their deeply held beliefs won’t happen either.
It’s sad.