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Hunter Biden to plead guilty to federal charges

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Jun 20, 2023.

  1. okeechobee

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    You’re playing a game of denial and I’m sorry, but just not interested in indulging you. You’re a big reason politicians lie, because they know enough of their supporters will look the other way and they can obstruct truth from the American people.
     
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  2. mutz87

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    There was nothing to deny. I responded to your arguments regarding lying.

    You don't have to answer my question but if you think that your accusations are sufficient in demonstrating that Biden lied, then you would be mistaken. You can believe Biden lied, dislike him, not vote for him, and criticize him without mercy...and hells bells, it's possible that you could proven right at some point in the future. But it's evidence that matters if we're discussing what is factual or not. And your beliefs about when/why people lie are not evidence.
     
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  3. okeechobee

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    Every lie Joe Biden has been caught in over his lengthy career in Washington DC have been efforts to either: a) make himself look better than he is or artificially boost his resume b) cover something up; c) get more votes; d) further his career in DC. He has never lied just for the sake of lying. Most rational/sane individuals don’t lie for the sake of lying. Why would I assume all of the sudden Biden is simply lying for shits and giggles? The only way I would assume that is if I was: a) a Democrat or b) incredibly naive.
     
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  4. mutz87

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    Don't think I wrote that he lies for the sake of lying. I am sure he's lied quite a bit over his very long career. They all do. But neither of those two premises allow us to draw a conclusion in this specific situation. Not how it works.

    FWIW, the a-d list of reasons about why Joe allegedly lies makes my earlier point or rather, answers my question. There are multiple reasons why someone might lie. But again, we don't know that Biden lied in this specific instance--or if he did lie, why. That takes evidence.
     
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  5. okeechobee

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    I find most politicians do lie on occasion, but Biden is a serial liar and takes it to a sociopathic level. There are montages on YouTube of the media crucifying him back in the 1980s after he got caught lying about pretty basic things such as how many college degrees he had, his law school ranking, his scholarships and more. Then it was learned he plagiarized a bunch of speeches. So no, I don’t agree Biden is just like all the others. It’s not often you have a candidate come along who lies about his/her resume like that so flagrantly and on top of it, plagiarizes a bunch of speeches. Nice try though…
     
  6. mutz87

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    That's all fine and dandy, but I'm interested in evidence in this situation. And thus far, I haven't seen any.

    Anyway, after having lived through 2017-2021, I have to smile about your characterization of Biden, who is mother teresa, comparatively. :)

    Yes, pols lie. Everyone lies, some daily...and pathologically.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    You should re-extend your hiatus. We already have at least three dozen or so “but Trump”-ers, so you’re not adding anything to the dialogue.
     
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  8. mutz87

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    That wasn't a "but trump." It was provide evidence. If or when there is evidence then your argument can move from speculative accusations into something that has actual merit. Though I mentioned Trump's lies because your characterization of Biden as being a pathological liar is funny..bordering on ironic.
     
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  9. okeechobee

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    It's been a "but Trump" from the beginning.
     
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  10. mutz87

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    Well you know that isn't true. My first comment to you was about the constitution and eligibility and then about evidence. It was only 15 minutes ago that I mentioned trump and only because your comment made me laugh.
     
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  11. citygator

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    Charlotte
    The gif function is not being used to move forward discussion.

    [​IMG]

    But it's pretty easy to ignore.
     
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  12. citygator

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    Charlotte
    There has been zero money tied to Joe Biden and there has been zero accusations of anything he did that was counter to the wishes of the Obama administration when he was VP. The strategy of the right wing is simply to talk in vague generalities as often as possible to try to shake Joe Biden's support with the swing voter. It's politics, not legal issues. You'll not see a legal movement to accuse Joe of anything. Trump is drowning in real legal issues, not political issues.
     
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  13. RealGatorFan

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    Biden is making this election a zoo. I for one wished another GOP candidate was up to the task but I'm not sure Biden is up to the task. His son is giving Trump so much ammo, he may win the election with both hands behind his back.
     
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    The case against Hunter IMG_1981.jpeg
     
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  15. GatorJMDZ

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    What, exactly, has President Biden done to make this election a zoo?

    Trump wins with both hands tied behind his back? Is there some secret breeding program for poorly educated white males of voting age that we don't know about?
     
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  16. duchen

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    Anyway, back to the plea. There was nothing unusual about the rejection of the plea. The judge asked about the immunity provisions— what is being compromised— and the parties has ls different answers. They then had a discussion and they came to an agreement not reflected in the agreement. And while the agreement reserved to the judge to enforce and construe disagreements over the agreement in the future — common in civil cases— she wants a more precise agreement and is concerned about directing DOJ conduct. This remains a tax prosecution.
     
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  17. duchen

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    Remarkable to see all the inconsistencies here when one bounces from the Trump threads to these threads. There isn’t a hint of evidence that Joe Biden did anything wrong. He knew Hunter worked for Burisma? So what. Presidential children have jobs, careers and business. What to link this to firing Shokin? Shokin was fired becuase he would not prosecute Burisma. With worldwide demand. When someone shows what Joe Biden did wrong with credible and reliable evidence, then we can talk.
     
  18. VAg8r1

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    We do not live in a vacuum. Joe Biden will not be running against an ideal alternative in 2024 and given that it's a near virtual certainty that he will be running against Donald Trump for the presidency comparisons between Biden and the defeated deranged former president are perfectly valid. I think this cartoon says it all regarding the choices next November.
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  19. Gatoragman

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    So, Joe didn't tell Ukraine to fire the prosecutor, or they wouldn't get the aide? Did the prosecutor get fired? Did they get the aide? Yet, you say there is "ABSOLUTELY" no evidence linking what actually happened?
     
  20. Gator715

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    Looks like there’s a lot of smoke, but not quite a smoking gun yet.

    At the end of the day, statements by a crackhead only go so far, but they’re worth a Hell of a lot more than a lot of people are making them out to be, considering the corroborative evidence and circumstantial evidence that makes everything else make sense. I don’t think all of these foreign entities are giving him money because they’re stupid. There’s something shady going on there.
     
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