Collapse of Atlantic current may be imminent

I have children so I am concerned about the future.

I do have some agreement with you that US taxpayers dollars are wasted on bogus programs, hyped by politics.

Take the US Navy whom have screwed us with one unsuccessful ship concept after another. The leadership set the Navy back a good 20 years and hundreds of billions.

Or the current right wing hacks that want to make UFOs a big deal, with zero proof, this is a total bullshit scam, they are doing it to line pockets with money.

And certainly liberal scams for societal programs that never seem to work other than helping administrators become millionaires.

I get it.

But when it comes to Science I tend to agree with researchers.

Remember when Galileo suggested the earth revolved around the sun? Heretic, damn near burned at the stake.

And so it goes.

I suppose we can go right ahead with maximizing profits, strip mining the planet,
building more coal fired plants and making
Water undrinkable, air unbreathable and the oceans a dump.

That's cool, you do you, but why don't you tell the conservatives in KY there is no issue, considering that state has been ravaged by floods.

Or tell Greeks they are ignorant as they evacuate entire islands from devastating fires.

Personally I hope your right, but Greenland is still melting and species keep going extinct.

Will humanity have to face the music? Well I don't know, and fortunately I am old enough not to have to see it...maybe. I still have about 15-20 years left, I think.

 

I think your take is reasonable. My position:
* Climate is changing…always has, always will
* Humans affect the climate…yes - but not to extent claimed by MM climate change activists
* Humans also do stupid things for the right reasons - example: “save the forests” by which they prohibit clearing forests of underbrush which lead to larger and more potent fires which = less forests. Intent was good - execution wholly idiotic. When people rant and rave about the impending doom I prefer to pump the brakes rather than follow them off the cliff. I could be wrong; but, “first - do no harm.”
* Pollution, etc. should be close to a capitol crime, meaning death. Sorry, if you know your chemical is poison and you dump it in the nearest pond for someone else to enjoy you should be sentenced to drinking from that pond for the rest of your (likely short) life. Republicans/Democrats - I don’t care. My favorite Congressman? I still don’t care. You purposely mess up the environment you should be dealt with severely.

So, am I a wacko right wing climate denier? It’s okay - I’ve been called worse

 

They remind me of a televangelist from a mega church.

The gods are global warning scientists.

However, we need to wean ourselves off oil for economic and health reasons. Clean air and water is important. It’s not all about climate.

 

What I got from his post was we have heard time and time and time again apocalyptic predictions, with a 0% accuracy rate. At the same time we are told we have to write bigger and bigger checks and continuously restrict our energy which is the lifeblood of any society. When date to point out examples Like the Great Barrier Reef and how it has adjusted to warmer water and is flourishing, we don’t see ‘scientists’ say , whoa we got that wrong. We are instructed to just wait longer. When the warmer water gets more warm. Then the reef will die. So, there are quite a few of us that believe the earth will adapt to whatever changes are
Coming and life will Flourish

 

Honest question, would like an honest answer.

How did you do in Science classes in school?

 

You know very well why @l_boy mentions Exxon but are being intentionally obtuse. Exxon has every incentive for the reverse findings to be true but came up with unfavorable findings a decade before the media and government was talking about man made global warming. That lends credence to their findings which you do not want to acknowledge. It’s also clear that Exxon’s studies were quite accurate.

It’s laughable you then go on to conflate weather with climate. That’s a pretty bad look for you.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

 

I think my issue is that we should be doing all those things, but we wont have an ice age in Europe in 2025 either way.

Hyperbole hurts the cause.

Most people will take care of the earth for more practical purposes if it is sold and packaged practically.

I think climate change is a real issue, but it has a marketing problem.

Doom and gloom on a global scale seems unfixable to the average soccer mom/dad out there. But keeping my beach and neighborhood clean while driving a car with better emissions so my town is cleaner seems more attainable. A lot of crying wolf happens in this debate and it leaves people feeling like its too big a chore or a falsehood... or both.

The act of truly impacting climate change needs better marketing.

 

Out of curiosity, did you read the article you posted?

 

Dumbest thread ever. I’m out. Not going to get into a raging debate over the latest Armageddon prediction.

 

I'm interested in efforts to help reduce pollution and preserve food sources; if there's a way we can help to reduce any man-made warming, I think that's great as well. I just don't see how any of this is possible if we can't make a genuine effort to get a control on human population. If we don't find a way to fix our population growth, it seems like the Earth will take care of that for us.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

As the world becomes more and more educated the population drops. This is especially true when women have education. We are peaking in terms of total world population. China has peaked and is now 2nd to India. As more and more Indians move from agrarian lifestyle their birth rate will slow as well. Best two things to slow down population growth:
1. Capitalism (and use of inexpensive energy) and
2. Education

The rate of poverty worldwide has been cut in about 1/2 in the last 15 years. That’s pretty damn amazing. Hint: it’s not been done via global warming prevention activities.

 

Because it's easier to swallow that we have little to no impact on the environment, ergo we don't individually have to do anything to change our consumption habits.

 

I’m a bit flummoxed on why you use my post to say those on the right are politicizing the issue. I wrote several points answering a question and said nothing about politics; then, I emphasized that I DON’t CARE vis a vis politics.

Okay - last sentence I threw out some red meat (with a wink). Is that the issue? Otherwise, I think you’re only seeing what you’re looking for.

Secondly, I think Schwarzenegger’s analogy is off. The doctor patient relationship is private. This is not. You don’t think there are scientists that keep quiet about MM global warming because they have a family to feed and their bosses want more and more MMGW funding? And that is what makes the “science” argument ludicrous - dissent is a hallmark of the scientific method: hypothesis, test, validation, challenge, re-test, etc. Once we hear what we want to hear we’re told “That’s it - discussion over, we’re done here. Shut up”. Sorry public vs private square is very different.

 

Well I am now convinced that the observed rising levels of temperature over many years means nothing and our efforts to combat would be fruitless anyway because someone somewhere said something controversial about the end of the world. The more I listen to conservatives the less I understand them.

 

It's ridiculous to claim that climate scientists have exaggerated the threat. If anything, the consensus has been too conservative. Effects are happening faster than projected

 

We have had warmer periods in history yet survived with less technological advances.

It baffles me that we think we know so much yet it’s proven over and over again we know so little.

I am not against renewable sources of energy. It’s just that what we currently have is not only very inefficient but to produce solar and wind takes a lot of material and energy to produce, build, and maintain that is just as bad for our environment.

We have ways to build nuclear reactors that can reuse spent rods now. Yes they are expensive to build but the power output and longevity far outweighs solar or wind.
Don’t even get me started on EV cars. Teslas are cool and all but replacing batteries every 5 years or so makes zero sense for environmental reasons.