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How China's Military Views the United States

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. chemgator

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    Of course, one mission from one aircraft carrier of 40 F-35's, loaded with 5-6 missiles each and flying invisible to Chinese radar, can probably sink about a half-year's worth of Chinese ship production. And that's before the submarines get near China's Navy and do their damage. It would probably take a week or two to either eliminate the threat from China's Navy or scare them back into port or ground themselves on the nearest beach. There has been no evidence that China (or Russia) has been able to detect the latest generation of stealth aircraft from the U.S.
     
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    Bad news. Looks like China is preparing for war. The government is rapidly setting about gathering all arable land so the Chinese can grow their own crops and not rely on trade with outside countries. They seemed to have learned a lesson from Russia in that, when an illegal invasion of another country occurs, foreign countries start cutting off trade. Right now, China is not self-sufficient in food production (it gets some of its food from the U.S.). China imports soy beans, corn wheat, and cereals to feed their livestock. No more Lucky Charms for the cattle. (Not mentioned in this article, but China imports a tremendous amount of hay from California to support dairy farms to try to feed their children milk and make them taller than Americans--a little insecurity there). Maybe, China feels that they will need a lot of protein to support the war, and they don't think that vegetarians are violent enough.

    China is also starting to cut down its forests to increase land for agriculture, less than 25 years after doubling their forest lands from 12% to 24%. Ironically, they doubled their forest land because a flood in 1998 did much more damage after many of the trees were cut down. So China is willing to increase their risk of floods to be able to feed themselves during a war to take over Taiwan. The rate of devastation to China's forests exceeds that of Brazil, which should tell you something about the scope of the activity.

    Where this gets scary for China is when their animals are visited by various viruses: bird flu, swine flu, etc. China always believes that bigger is better (and more efficient), so they have massive farms with animals practically packed on top of each other, ready to spread diseases at a moment's notice. They really don't have or enforce any regulations on food producers, so viruses run rampant among the animals before anything is done. That may not work so well in a wartime situation, and people could starve (or start getting sick themselves).

    This is being compared to Chairman Mao's Great Leap Forward, which killed millions of Chinese people through starvation (and nearly wiped them out before the Nixon administration bailed China out with technology and equipment for 13 fertilizer factories).

    The clue China is preparing for war

     
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  3. tampagtr

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    There have been other signs as well, unfortunately
     
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  5. chemgator

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    Peripherally related to China (and computer chip production):

    A Taiwanese company is building a computer chip factory in Arizona, but is running into some difficulties. The construction of the factory is a year behind schedule, allegedly because the Phoenix area is lacking in "skilled employees" to install specialized equipment.

     
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    The U.S. Navy would have no chance vs. China in the Taiwan Straits. Why do you think its carrier group hid behind the Philippines while China was doing a dress rehearsal of taking Taiwan ?
     
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  8. chemgator

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    The U.S. Navy would not need to enter the Taiwan Straits to defeat China's Navy. It could easily destroy China's Navy from a distance of 500-1000 miles, using aircraft that cannot be seen on radar. Why take a chance of losing even one ship when it is not necessary to lose any?
     
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    I hope you are correct, but my reading, primarily 2034 a Carrier Killer (as far as books), cause me great concern. Also a good read, although answering a slightly different question

     
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    For China to sink a carrier, they would need to first get an idea where the carrier task force was, and send in so many planes with multiple hypersonic missiles at high speed, and hope that multiple planes got past the air cover, identified the carrier and fired their missiles at it, and the defenses of the carrier and the ships around it had difficulties shooting the missiles down. At least five missiles would have to strike the carrier in different places to cause the carrier to have a good chance of sinking. Yes, it's possible, but no it's not likely. Damaging the carrier with one or two missiles might be possible under those circumstances.

    For the U.S. to sink a Chinese carrier, one or two F-35's would have to evade detection, fire multiple missiles at the carrier, and speed off into the night back to their own carrier. It would likely take only 2-3 well-placed missiles to sink it, since China does not have as much experience designing or operating carriers as the U.S., and their carriers are much lighter/smaller than the 113,000-ton U.S. carriers (not as much armor). The damage control systems and training are typically suspect on their ships.

    The 2034 book supposes that China develops some revolutionary technology, which is possible, but not a certainty.
     
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    The Carrier Killer did not necessarily disagree with what you said, but said that the missile, combined with their extended bases for basic radar usage, restricts our area of operation. It's not that we know for sure they can hit us but it introduces enough doubt that we have to be more careful and less aggressive. They made a pretty persuasive case. But they were largely analyzing the effect of the DF21 rather than air-launched missiles
     
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    Coalition of the Unwilling …

     
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    Shanghai subway station. How can they keep building s*** like this if they’re collapsing ?

     
  14. chemgator

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    The cost of your subway station decorations is trivial compared to the cost of keeping the 18-24-year-olds employed for one year (much less ten). Looks like China is committed to the solution of sending its college graduates to work in the fields, and the college graduates are equally (if not more) committed to not working in the fields.
     
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    China needs its own Mexico along its border?
     
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    Historical - Down to the Countryside Movement - Wikipedia


    The Up to the Mountains and Down to the Countryside Movement, often known simply as the Down to the Countryside Movement, was a policy instituted in the People's Republic of China between mid 1950s and 1978. As a result of what he perceived to be pro-bourgeois thinking prevalent during the Cultural Revolution, Chairman Mao Zedong declared certain privileged urban youth would be sent to mountainous areas or farming villages to learn from the workers and farmers there. In total, approximately 17 million youth were sent to rural areas as a result of the movement.[1] Usually only the oldest child had to go, but younger siblings could volunteer to go instead.

    Chairman Mao's policy differed from Chinese President Liu Shaoqi's early 1960s sending-down policy in its political context. President Liu Shaoqi instituted the first sending-down policy to redistribute excess urban population following the Great Chinese Famine and the Great Leap Forward. Mao's stated aim for the policy was to ensure that urban students could "develop their talents to the full" through education amongst the rural population



    The Cultural Revolution started with Mao reaching out to high school students for ideological and material support. They were asked to target teachers viewed as possessing or propagating capitalist views and rebelling against them, which many were open to due to high academic pressure. During that time, the Red Guards participated in parades, mass meetings, and propagation and distribution of the Little Red Book. At this point, the politics initiated by Mao's government, along with the diminishing crops, had left the country in dire financial straits. Mao saw this as a prime opportunity to sow chaos and push the country towards the downfall of the old system, leaving a blank slate from which a reconstruction based on complete Communism would emerge. Thus, the central government did little to nothing to stop or discourage the Red Guards' acts, no matter how abusive.

    From December 1968 onward, millions of educated urban youth, consisting of secondary school graduates and students, were mobilized and sent "up to the mountains and down to the villages" i.e. to rural villages and to frontier settlements. In these areas, they had to build up and take root, to receive reeducation from the poor and lower-middle peasants".[11] Ten percent of the 1970 urban population was relocated. The population grew from 500 million to 700 million people in China. One way for Mao to handle the population growth was to send people to the countryside. Mao was from the countryside and wanted all educated youth to have experience there. This was a way for high school students to better integrate themselves into the working class. "In the beginning, the Cultural Revolution exhilarated me because suddenly I felt that I was allowed to think with my own head and say what was on my mind".[10][page needed] While many believed that this was a great opportunity to transform themselves into a strong socialist youth, many students could not deal with the harsh life and died in the process of reeducation.[citation needed]
     
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    Wouldn't help. China does not want any immigration. They are fairly obsessive about national genetic purity.
     
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    In the US prices have risen 16% since 2020. So unless you’ve received a 17% raise you’re getting poorer every day. AND your subway stations are rat-infested.
     
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    And somehow that’s racist.
     
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    In China, a white person can be hired to pretend to be a resident of a ghost town's apartment complex, to get locals to buy there. White foreigners are believed to know quality when they see it, and that can persuade locals to part with their money. Black foreigners can also be hired for the same purpose, but the Chinese will pay them less. The government does not want white westerners moving permanently to China, because they may start protests for Chinese people's rights.
     
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