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Police Coverups, Conspiracies, and Cost to Taxpayers

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ValdostaGatorFan, May 17, 2023.

  1. Orange_and_Bluke

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    This is indeed circular. We’re both focusing on different parts of the issue.
    You and Mutz are laser focused on the cops while I’m worried about the criminals.
    I also say it’s personality based. Libbies who I know all behave and feel the way you do. It’s interesting to me because the pubs I know seen it mostly the way I do.
    And nowhere did I ever say that these bad cops aren’t terrible people. I just choose to not concentrate on them because I believe it’s such an important yet difficult position.
     
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  2. ValdostaGatorFan

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    I agree that it's an important yet difficult position. We agree on that. We just have a system that covers for the ones who can't perform those difficult, necessary duties within the framework of the Constitution.

    If you are laser focused on criminals, I would figure you would be more vocal on cops who are themselves the criminals. Deprivation of Rights under the Color of Law is a crime, let's get those criminals.
     
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  3. mutz87

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    Same confused folks who fly "Don't Tread on Me" & "Thin Blue Line Flags" on their Ford F150s...or full on confusion[​IMG]
    :D:rolleyes::(

    I can't, and I try daily.
     
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  4. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I’m not super pumped to go after the people who are supposed to serve and protect. You do you.
    I will trust them and as I said before…I always tell them thanks and buy them a cup of coffee if I see them in public.
     
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  5. ValdostaGatorFan

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    Nailed it. Same with the "Come and Take It" sticker next to the "Back the Blue" decal.
     
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  6. GratefulGator

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    Aww, you big softie.
     
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  7. mutz87

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    Seemingly endless confusion followed by endless ways to demonstrate that confusion.

    A large swath of Americans have gone bat-shot and don't know why because they don't understand the issues.
     
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  8. ValdostaGatorFan

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    If I could have 2 minutes of your time..

    How many criminals are in this video?

    A) 1

    B) 2

    C) More than 2?

    D) Other?

     
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  9. mutz87

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    I have many faults & defects...just ask my wife...but being laser focused on policing and crime is not among them.

    Society benefits from folks exposing the problems and working to reform them, even if this means disturbing the status quo and upsetting the more fearful among us.

    As difficult as it seems for you to accept, our democratic republic was literally designed to protect individual rights, this includes specifically, due process for the suspected/accused against government abuse of power.

    See 4a, 5a, 6a, & 8a in the BoR. We'd have a democracy in name only without those protections.
     
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  10. ValdostaGatorFan

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    Another 2 mins of your time...

    Are these the guys you call criminals? The 2 bystanders filming? Because they got arrested, too.

    Do you think it's a coincidence that a man filming the police beating a handcuffed man is himself beat by police and arrested? Why punch and tackle a non-violent man with a camera after beating a man in handcuffs? Why arrest the man outside filming when he was complying with orders to move back 20 feet, even though that order is legally dubious?

    Some of these criminals that you put more priority on over criminals cops aren't even criminals..

     
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  11. defensewinschampionships

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    Yeah the NRA crowd is pretty moronic. The same people will have the "Come and Take It" sticker right next to a "Black Rifle Coffee Company" sticker while following Tim Kennedy on socials and voting for Dan Crenshaw.

    I left the NRA years ago. GOA and FPC are much more on point.
     
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  12. ValdostaGatorFan

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    I was kind of following the saga of the definition of a PB, and it seemed like GOA and FPC where much more out in front and I think at least one of them got an injunction in.
     
  13. defensewinschampionships

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    GOA got an injunction for all of their members.
     
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  14. ValdostaGatorFan

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    Yep, that's the one. Then the question arose that if you joined after the injuction, would you be covered, and I never really heard a real answer, but my un-informed opinion would be no.
     
  15. defensewinschampionships

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    The answer was basically, if you joined before they filed.

    If you're interested, there is a really good video by "Forgotten Weapons" on Youtube about the history of the NFA specifically dealing with short barreled rifles. The crux of the matter was that the NFA of 1934 would have banned handguns, and banning short barreled rifles would prevent a workaround the handgun ban. Once the handgun ban was removed, the SBR ban should have as well.
    The original SBR ban in the NFA of 1934 limited rifles and shotguns to 18" or longer. Fast forward to the 1960s, the US government wanted to surplus sell off millions of M1 Carbines. Problem was, the carbine was 16" barrel. No worries, we will change the law to fit our purpose so we can sell off 16" barrels.

    My supposition is, the law will be changed again, this time to 10". Why you may ask (probably not you Valdosta)? The military has adopted a new rifle. Now they will want to sell off all of the M-4 they have issued since the beginning of the GWOT. The barrel length of the M4? 10.5".
     
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  16. ValdostaGatorFan

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    I'm pretty familiar with Ian's videos, and I think I've seen that exact one. (Fun fact while we're talking about old weapons, I got to shoot a 20 round burst on a German MG-42 a few months ago)
     
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  17. orangeblue_coop

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    This isn't about siding with criminals over police (I don't know where you got that narrative from), this is about holding individual cops accountable for their actions. Why does naming and shaming individual cops who have acted in criminal behavior while wearing a badge bother you so much? Do you believe they're above reproach?
     
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  18. danmanne65

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    Lol. You don’t even realize that you have more to fear from a cop pulling you over than you have from a gangbanger you will never meet.
     
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  19. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Delusional.
    What a sorry ass post.
     
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  20. mutz87

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    I'd suggest that *we* are or should be trying to hold entire departments and the system at large accountable for what happens when individual officers do wrong. This is what I've tried to get at many times regarding not limiting the discussion to only bad apples, which has the negative effect by ignoring or minimizing the role that police mindset/culture, policies and training have in creating bad apples and bad departments.
     
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