Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Police Coverups, Conspiracies, and Cost to Taxpayers

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ValdostaGatorFan, May 17, 2023.

  1. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    Agreed. Circling back to "Back the Blue until it happens to you," I agree that we have contributed to this issue. As long as they were abusing the "others," many in our society found it acceptable. Some even subscribe to the "any means necessary," as long as those means are directed at others. This monster has grown, and now has an appetite for anyone and everyone. As long as it makes a buck and grows it's power, there will be no end to it, especially with the culture issues and poor hiring practices as well as running cover for officers that are proven to be a liability. The full weight of state will be wielded at you, me, and anyone else that does not toe the line.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  2. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    The public is an extremely dangerous place, especially near bigger cities.
    Police are often in self preservation mode. The softer you want them to be, the more cops will be harmed.
    Posts like this sound informed to the uninformed.
    I doubt many of the libbies who agree with this sentiment have ever been in any prolonged interaction with the truly dangerous element.
    I’d bet big money on it.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  3. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    But have you ever played basketball in the hood?
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
    • Wish I would have said that Wish I would have said that x 1
  4. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    Ignorance is bliss until you get a cop killed.
     
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  5. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    How exactly am I going to get a cop killed?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. mutz87

    mutz87 p=.06

    38,228
    33,866
    4,211
    Aug 30, 2014
    :eek: Then you better stay out of cities & stay indoors in your safe space, clutching your gun at all times! :D

    Fact is, in terms of danger, Americans are more at risk of violent victimization from someone they know or are associated with in some way, not from strangers.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  7. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    Exactly. You can’t even see it.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  8. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    Nah, tell me how I, ValdostaGatorFan, am going to get a cop killed. Use yours words.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  9. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    People like you and Mutz mean well.
    Once you’ve convinced the public, including the criminals, that the system is rigged, cops and judges are racist, the less likely criminals will respect authority. The criminals are more likely emboldened and therefore will become more dangerous to LEOs.
    I know you can’t see it because you’ve created an entire thread on the downside to cops.
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 3
  10. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    That's quite the leap and I can't say I agree with you. I mean, I see the point you are trying to make, I just don't agree with it. Criminals are going criminal, despite this post on TH.

    And speaking of this post, it's not to show the downside of cops, it's to show the downside of bad cops and the system that keeps them employed and free from consequences.

    Also, pointing out bad cops, bad departments, and bad prosecutors wouldn't be the reason criminals will be less likely to respect authority, IMO. If there weren't bad cops/departments/prosecutors, there wouldn't be anything to point out.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    Guess it speaks to our personality differences. We can see the same thing and draw different reasons for it.
    IMO cops are doing the best they can in a terrible and dangerous environment. And the rules get tighter each day on them.
    Tough job.
     
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  12. orangeblue_coop

    orangeblue_coop GC Hall of Fame

    4,345
    717
    2,938
    Nov 19, 2016
    That’s funny because the cops highlighted in this thread are criminals who don’t respect authority and felt emboldened to commit crimes and endanger civilians on the street. Seems like you have no issue with criminal cops who break the law, and only have an issue with regular perps who don’t wear badges. Time to ask yourself why that is…
     
    • Winner Winner x 4
    • Like Like x 2
  13. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    I realize that. But I’m not siding with criminals over the police. Call me the day you idealists find a way to make cops perfect. You won’t, unless they’re robots and even that has its drawbacks.
    The reality is we don’t pay them enough to deal with the nasty public.
    We also don’t pay teachers enough to interact with the nasty kids they have to teach.
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  14. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    I mean, right on the page before this one, a federal judge had to intervene on an entire state police force because they were violating motorist's rights. Is that what you mean by rules getting tighter?

    When it comes to people's rights vs the cops ability to trample those rights, I'm going to side with the people.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  15. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    I’m saying the cops rights are diminishing while the criminals get more and more leeway.
    It’s difficult to catch a criminal and make it stick.
     
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  16. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    Out of curiosity, what rights are diminishing for cops?
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  17. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

    10,314
    2,543
    3,288
    Dec 16, 2015
    I think I meant more scrutiny and less trust. I get it and understand why.
    Nothing is changing though. We still have bad cops and millions of bad guys.
    And the best part….more unemployed men who don’t know what to do with their time.
     
    • Dislike Dislike x 1
  18. mutz87

    mutz87 p=.06

    38,228
    33,866
    4,211
    Aug 30, 2014
    Difficult by design. But alas, bluke, it can be fixed to suit your concerns...

    All we need to do is get rid of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendments or better yet, just scrap the BoR.

    Presto, problem solved!
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  19. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    This has become circular.

    Bad cops behave badly.
    Technology catches up and catches more bad ones in the act.
    More scrutiny is upon them as people realize that there's an issue.
    People don't trust police since they've seen with their own eyes what they are capable of.
    More people film or otherwise document their encounters and find more bad cops.

    I think I've found the common denominator.. It's bad cops. You know what improves the public's trust in the police? Accountability. It seems to me that either you would do away with accountability and/or do away shedding light on bad cops.
     
    • Winner Winner x 4
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. ValdostaGatorFan

    ValdostaGatorFan GC Hall of Fame

    2,772
    600
    1,998
    Aug 21, 2007
    TitleTown, USA
    I was going to bring up the BoR and who/what it protects us from. But you beat me to it.

    Which in itself is kind of crazy to me, because the folks with the "We the People" clothes and tatoos are usually in the front of the line to defend the violators. Make it make sense...
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Off-topic Off-topic x 1