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Israel - a lot going on

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, Jul 5, 2023.

  1. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    For all three, there is a lot of background far too voluminous to easily summarize. No quick take is near sufficient.

    Continued mass protests against the proposed Judiciary Act changes and other measures. These protests are massive and continuous




    Significant offensive destroyed Jenin.



    Israeli/Russian joint citizen missing 4 months revealed to be held by Shia militia in Iraq

     
  2. Gatorhead

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    Thank you for the post. IMO, as long as Israel keeps electing Beni the hater and crumudgeon, nothing will change. Turns out Israel's "democratic" nation smells more and more like a Putin dictatorship with the same tired right wing agenda at work. (Perpetuation of Power).

    Except now its: Perfectly fine for the elected leader, his wife, kid and buddies to rob and steal at a whim.

    Court finds them guilty? NO PROBLEM, just use Political office to change the court to allow for the corruption.

    So very trumpian. So very undemocratic and corrupt.

    But Bennie knows whats best...................FOR HIM.
     
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  3. phatGator

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    I just finished watching the fourth season of the Israeli television show Fauda. It deals a lot with the Jenin refugee camp.

    By the way, that is a fascinating series that illustrates a lot of the tensions in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.
     
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  4. tampagtr

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    It is a great series. We watched the first two seasons but have not gotten back to.

    And yes, this is not the first time Jenin has been in the news. This episode is more disturbing, IMO
     
  5. ncargat1

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    Is it in English or Hebrew?
     
  6. phatGator

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    The original is Hebrew and Arabic with English subtitles. There is also a version where the Hebrew is dubbed in English, but the Arabic has subtitles.
     
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    Well if big world gov setting up a religious state caint work, what can?
     
  8. GratefulGator

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    Benny and the zionists
     
  9. ncargat1

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    Thanks.
     
  10. phatGator

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    The default on NF is the dubbed version. You have to go into subtitles if you want the original.

    The dubbing is very good. It lacks that studio sound that most dubbing has. I watched 3 seasons not on owing it was dubbed.
     
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    I struggle with subtitles, and despite over 20 years of marriage, I have only learned 4-5 Hebrew phrases, and those are all repeated in the prayers during the High Holidays. However, I will ask my wife and maybe we give it a try together. Thanks again for sharing and then the additional information on the various versions.
     
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  12. tampagtr

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    Informative thread

     
  13. phatGator

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    This is interesting. So current Israeli law allows the high court, and maybe lower courts also, to rule on the “reasonableness” of government actions. So if the national or local governments do something the court thinks is unreasonable or fails to do something the court thinks would be reasonable, the court can intervene.

    This article explains the pros and cons of that doctrine.

    The reason for reasonableness: A doctrine at the heart of the overhaul explained

    One side thinks this is critical for preventing corruption in government and outrageous actions. The other side thinks the courts get involved merely because they don’t like an action and basically has the courts legislate.

    From the public demonstrations, a lot of people do not want any restrictions on the courts ability to it rule on reasonableness.
     
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  14. tampagtr

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    Solid piece - I had read it. Like most issues, it has years and years of complexity. I have been trying to get up to speed now for a few months. Read quite a few pieces and listed to a fair amount of podcasts. I would estimate I know about 5% of what I need to to feel comfortable that I have an informed opinion.

    Way, way oversimplifying - the current coalition has a legitimate grievance in feeling that they have been excluded from the judiciary, which has overplayed its role as an anti-majoritarian check (parallel to here). But what they are trying to accomplish would undermine the pillars of 75 years of nationhood, and is opposed to and opposed by the national security and the business establishment. They see it as existential, and while that may be overstated, they have a point. You really have to believe that there will be future moderation not currently exhibited to think that it is not an existential threat to the current structure of the nation.

    Just a lot there. That's why a lot of attempted mediation is to increase representation in the judiciary without completely undermining judicial independence
     
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  15. tampagtr

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    Have not listened to this episode yet, but I generally recommend the podcast
    The “Paragons of Reason?” Edition - The Promised Podcast
     
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    Meanwhile in Israel ........

    Surgeons in Israel performed a miracle surgery and managed to reattach a boy’s head after he was hit by a car while riding his bike, a Jerusalem hospital announced this week.

    Suleiman Hassan, a 12-year-old Palestinian from the West Bank, suffered what is known as an internal decapitation, with his skull detached from the top vertebrae of his spine — officially known as a bilateral atlanto occipital joint dislocation, according to The Times of Israel.

    Hassan was riding his bike when a car hit him. The boy was rushed to Hadassah Medical Center and immediately put into surgery in the trauma unit. The doctors said his head was "almost completely detached from the base of his neck."

    Dr. Ohad Einav, the orthopedic specialist who led the operation, said the procedure took several hours and required the doctors to use "new plates and fixations in the damaged area."

    Doctors reattach boy's head after car accident thanks to 'amazing' surgery (fox10phoenix.com)
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    so the legislature approved the rules gutting the onyl check on Net and the far right and massive expansion of settlements that the people and the military oppose.

    what happens now? will the military refuse orders and prompt a far-right false flag to enflame tensions?

    not good
     
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  18. tampagtr

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    Definitely not good
     
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    You know, we have a relatively young country here in the US, but ironically we also have the oldest written constitution in the world. The reasons for this are no doubt myriad and complex, but I can’t help to think that our system checks and balances is absolutely necessary for such longevity. I don’t understand Israel’s system very well, but if they are jettisoning some of the core checks on power as it appears, I wouldn’t be very sanguine on their future stability.
     
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    Sanguine being the operative word. This opens the doors for Bibi's far right militias to legally exsanguinate Palestinians.
     
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