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New Florida curriculum says slavery had “personal benefits” for slaves

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Jul 20, 2023.

  1. gator_lawyer

    gator_lawyer VIP Member

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    I agree. I'd say the specific point about their errors is to show just how unqualified and inept the people running the FL DOE are.
     
  2. GatorJMDZ

    GatorJMDZ gatorjack VIP Member

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    You're supposed to contact the mods directly if you have an issue with some action they have taken not publicly whine.
     
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  3. Sohogator

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    It’s certainly interesting to watch someone who can only communicate in memes emojis and gifs. It’s like watching Bumblebee in Transformers only less intelligent and intelligible
     
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  4. Emmitto

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    I have discussed this with my lawyer friends, and they tell me there is a veeeery narrow path forward in which you can be my slave, but you benefit in the end, and thus I’ll be both rich and unjailed. Just PM me for this opportunity. But hurry, I have limited shackles and also need to plan how many dead possums I’ll need to pick up off the road for your meals. Exciting!
     
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  5. tampagtr

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    Exactly. I suspect they relied on “scholarship” analogous to current Hillsdale “scholars”
     
  6. Gator715

    Gator715 GC Hall of Fame

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    In the interest of transparency, I think the forum should know why the post was edited.

    It's not like I called out anyone in particular. I was respectful. But I'm not going to report privately for the mods only to get the "because I said so" routine.
     
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  7. phatGator

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    I appreciate your response. To clarify, when I say race/slavery is a taboo subject for the left, I mean questions like the one I posed “should not be” asked because people typically react emotionally rather than rationally.
     
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  8. VAg8r1

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    Just one question. How many of the slaves that acquired those skills had the discretion to market their skills to an employer of their choice or using a more modern term act as independent contractors? Did they have the ability to negotiate the amount of their compensation? Just asking.
     
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  9. Gator715

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    Well now you're moving the goalposts. I didn't say it was easy. I didn't say life was good or fair back then.

    I said that slaves had skills and those skills helped them assimilate to post-emancipation life.

    None of what you posted above rebuts any of that.

    It was still a tough era for Blacks overall especially in the South, but really everywhere. They had minimal power to negotiate on their own behalf and leverage their position. But I've noticed that nobody seems to want to talk about the progress that Blacks made for themselves through blood, sweat, and tears, economically, between Reconstruction and the Civil Rights movement. We're supposed to pretend that absolutely nothing happened in between those two eras despite the end of a civil war and three Constitutional Amendments specifically addressing the issue.

    The growth was slow, largely due to injustices and prejudices which are unique in the case of American Black people, but it was there.
     
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  10. gatordavisl

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    IOW - the poster you responded to is spot on. Then there's you.
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. okeechobee

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    The drama..
     
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  12. tarponbro

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    She is infected too.
     
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  13. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    She’s not a good poster. She refuses to respond to me. How good can she be?
     
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  14. tampagtr

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    It occurred to me that Lincoln’s Second Inaugural, which has been posited as greater than Gettysburg, the finest oration in our national history, is positively “woke” in its depiction of slavery as an offense against God, an abusive evil we all profited from, that built the nation economically, and that the Civil War was a form of Divine Judgment for our national sin. Consider


    "One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves not distributed generally over the union but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen perpetuate and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered ~ that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses for it must needs be that offenses come but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which in the providence of God must needs come but which having continued through His appointed time He now wills to remove and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him. Fondly do we hope ~ fervently do we pray ~ that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword as was said three thousand years ago so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'

    Lincoln plainly thought that slavery was a national sin, and that one could not question God’s justice if the nation was destroyed as a result, forfeiting all the wealth we had gained through this evil.

    I’m sure they spin it, but if the DeSantis educational standard setters were intellectually honest, a contradiction in terms, the Second Inaugural would be condemned because it should make white people feel guilty, properly understood.
     
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  15. swampbabe

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    Nah, I’m just a decent person. Sorry if you can’t relate.
     
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    Damn, she’s smart too.
     
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  17. citygator

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    Stop digging. Why would you die on a hill on there being a silver lining to slavery? I mean picking cotton shackled gave you skills? What are you doing?
     
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  18. rivergator

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    I don't know how many slaves were freed with marketable skills, but common sense says that some had to be carpenters, farriers, farmers, etc. And there had to be some benefit to them after the war.
    But the question is why require that it be taught other than to say slavery helped the slaves, that it wasn't all bad ...?
     
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  19. duchen

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    There you go again with your “both sides bad.” Florida has a racist and inaccurate curriculum for black history birthed by the GOP. Live with it. You own it.
     
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  20. G8tas

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    Why are some people defending this? Marketable skills? Get outta here with that. Are kids also supposed to bee taught that concentration camp survivors left with marketable skills such as being a barber?
     
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