New Florida curriculum says slavery had “personal benefits” for slaves

Who is rationalizing anything? I think you mean to say justifying…either way, it’s just another way to look at this history. No one in their right mind would spin slavery to be a positive.

 

I think you’re a good poster. And therefore I believe you are misreading what is trying to be discussed.
IMHO.

 

Fascinating article. Thank you for the link for not only this but other articles on that website.

It does appear from that article and another one on the website that the vast majority of African migration to Britain was freed slaves migrating from the Caribbean, and not free Africans emigrating directly from Africa.

 

Your use of the word: jobs says a lot about your argument. You might want to reconsider its meaning

 

I appreciate your dialogue and in no way believe that you intend to be offensive. OTOH - I stand by the contention that your first post exemplifies tone deafness. Consider your assumption that Jewish/Irish immigration is no different to you. Pretty sure the Jews & Irish were not brought over in shackles & enslaved. Again, imagine supposin' that in a room full of African Americans. I agree, though, that it would be valuable to hear the opinions of some of our AA friends.

Also, I disagree that race/slavery are primarily leftist issues. Those issues are more often planted by the right, forcing lefties to react. Case in point: This policy and thread.

 

For clarity, my "frenemy," I asked you about your sources of information to which you replied "I know it when I see it." In response to your suggestion that systemic racism does not exist, I played on your words. I encourage you to interrogate the matter further, be it through reading or meaningful dialogue with people who have a differently informed perspective. Often we can trust our instincts, but when it comes to complex issues like systemic racism, it becomes necessary to consider multiple sources of information.

 

Thank you and perhaps I have. Touchy subject. Have a good weekend OnB

 

Slaves learned farming and how to have their bosses babies. Damn ungrateful

 

You misinterpreted @swampbabe's post and she came back to apologize. JMO, but she's a great poster and shouldn't be ignored, even by those who disagree with her opinions.

 

State depts of ed should include a social studies/history standard that: Folks who don't know jack about the history of slavery and its implications should shut the hell up and listen so as to avoid embarrassment.

 

Lincoln freed the interns!

 

A mod edited a post of mine for pointing out someone is lying.

Let me get this straight, you can slander a poster saying that they are trying to rationalize slavery, but the poster isn't allowed to defend themself by pointing out the lie?

That doesn't seem fair.

Come to think of it, what rule did I violate? What rule is there that prohibits someone to point out another poster is lying when they are in fact lying?

 

No, it doesn't. I think you're misconstruing my statement. When I say "jobs," I'm talking about post-emancipation work for pay where they are free to leave.

 

Well, in the last 25 years the GOP has tried to use the Vietnam gameplan in the Middle East and are about to nominate for president someone who keeps losing them elections while getting their panties in a collective knot over Budweiser and Mickey Mouse.

 

she’s not on ignore

 

I think that factual debate rather misses the point. Even if examples are accurately identified of an enslaved person developing a useful skill in enslaved labor, it’s grotesque to point to that factoid as somehow mitigating the monstrous evil of enslavement.

There was a thread on the enslaved man who likely learned foundry work from his enslaver, surpassed him, and made the statue on the top of the Capitol possible, then went on to a career. Nothing in that story mitigates the evil of his enslavement.

These “educators” are pretty plainly trying to analogize American race-based Chattel slavery to the exploitative but far more common indentured servitude, where, in theory, uncompensated labor was exchanged for an apprenticeship with a defined end date. No comparison.

Numerous historical partial analogs. Are descendants of the Irish that love being American supposed to think the English provided a benefit through the potato famine? Are Herzl and early 20th Century Zionists supposed to credit the Nazis for creating the political atmosphere for the creation of a Jewish state as sanctuary through the Holocaust? Are we supposed to look at the 2400 American deaths at Pearl Harbor as something to be celebrated because we came out of WWII the preeminent world power?

Too many similar examples to name. But you don’t mitigate your moral measurement of the catalyzing evil because the gross wrong created some unintended benefit in the victim.

 

Thanks for the info. I tried to PM you but it wouldn’t let me, so I assumed I was on ignore.

Again, I’m sorry you misinterpreted what I wrote. My point was that you absolutely wouldn’t back this line of thinking by the DOE.

 

I never can tell if you are making bad jokes or if you are defective in some way.

 

This is why I recommended watching that documentary. It is truly illuminating and would dispel some of your misunderstandings about how things worked in the South immediately following the Civil War.

Here's a two minute clip from the documentary:
Slavery by Another Name | Sharecropping as Slavery | PBS