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New Florida curriculum says slavery had “personal benefits” for slaves

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Jul 20, 2023.

  1. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    :) #Metoo
     
  2. gator_lawyer

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    Do even the slightest bit of research into the exploitative share-cropping system that ensnared many formerly enslaved folks and relegated them back into a slavery-like status before you try to spin it into some positive. You want to turn something destructive and harmful into something inspirational. That's disingenuous. Be accurate about our history, warts and all.
     
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  3. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    Truth - I thought about responding to the inane assumptions about "Democrats" and education, but decided it wasn't worth the while.
     
  4. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    This makes a trio.
     
  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Thank you for sparing us all.
     
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  6. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    And how are your positions on "libbie this" and "libbie that" informed? Osmosis?
     
  7. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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    Slave picking cotton, building stuff etc. in 1850 = "learning skills"

    Migrant picking fruit or doing your driveway in '23 = "unskilled labor"

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  8. gatordavisl

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  9. 92gator

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    Well, I suppose 'resident lefties' is kind of superfluous and pointless, since that covers like 95% of the echo chamber...

    ...or was it the 'peeing in their pants' thing? :cool:

    Cause that's kinda milquetoast, against the shit y'all say about Republicans--especially the Trump supporters and/or MAGA types.

    Whatever. Read or don't read...I usually skim past yours anyway.
     
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  10. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Lol. I know it when I see it.
     
  11. Gator715

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    I know race-hustling is your thing, but I'm not spinning it into a positive.

    I'm saying that Blacks used the skills that they learned to assimilate in a post-slavery society. Was the system still exploitative post-slavery? Yes. But that's a secondary point to the issue of whether they obtained skills during slavery that helped them assimilate.

    I'm going to give you a string of easy Yes/No questions.

    1. Are farming, cooking, and cleaning skills?
    2. Do farming, cooking, and cleaning offer respectable professions to this day, albeit not nearly as lucrative as others?
    3. Did Black slaves typically acquire some combination of the aforementioned skills during slavery?
    4. Did many use the knowledge and skills they acquired after slavery was abolished to work in these fields?

    Is any of this to credit slavery? Of course not. They could've developed these skills AND others that are more rewarding and white collar. But you deal with the hand you're dealt, not the hand you want. Kids who want to be lawyers don't get to just start practicing because they want to end up there. They normally have to work a job they don't like to support themselves until they can get the credentials to become a lawyer. Black slaves, and I agree for completely unfair reasons, were forced into jobs they don't like early on until they could work their way out of it. Perpetual exploitation post-slavery certainly stunted the growth in that department. We agree on that.
     
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  12. citygator

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    This should be a slam dunk thread where everyone agrees. What is wrong with you guys?
     
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  13. GatorJMDZ

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    OK, so if someone forcibly kidnapped you against your will, separated you from your family, transported you thousands of miles in a cramped ship with little food and otherwise horrible conditions and then delivered you to my plantation where you worked my fields in the broiling heat for years with minimum shelter, education and food, I should expect you to be grateful for learning how to pick cotton?

    The sad part is you don't see how truly pathetic the whole thing is.
     
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  14. mikemcd810

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    It's just a strange and unnecessary change. Not every situation needs a silver lining.

    If there was a story about a woman who was kidnapped and raped, but managed to escape weeks later by picking the locks on her handcuffs, you wouldn't say "well at least she got some experience as a locksmith."
     
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  15. gatordavisl

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    And this explains a lot.
     
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  16. Gator715

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    That is not what I'm saying at all. I specifically phrased it in the manner I phrased it so it wouldn't be construed that way, which is how I interpret how the Florida Department of Education phrased it.

    It's simply providing context regarding the circumstances of growth for Black slaves post-emancipation.

    It's both untrue and harming to the psyche of Black youth to pretend like circumstances were absolutely hopeless and Black slaves had nothing to offer until an opportunity was given to them. They had plenty to offer, they just weren't given the opportunity.
     
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  17. wgbgator

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    This seems to extend to entertainment too (of course school is basically edutainement now), when there was a production code, it practically mandated it in movies. America is a weird place, we dont seem to handle the idea that shit might suck here, even a long time ago. God help us if a movie doesnt contain a positive message or explicitly teach values of some sort!
     
  18. docspor

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    Sounds like they wanna groom the kids to accept their radical commie agenda to me.
     
  19. PITBOSS

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    wow. Is maga actually attempting to justify why it wasn’t too bad?
     
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  20. wgbgator

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    This is 100% capitalist education bud, its telling kids even if you are working some menial job where you are treated like chattel, you are learning skills and life lessons, even though the market doesn't reward you for them and never will.
     
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