Abbott is trying to kill or injure illegal immigrants coming to Texas

oh boy. Finally a liberal with real solutions! I’m f’ing excited! I’ll help you out to get the ball rolling”

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I'd love to help them in their home countries too. But missionary work will only go so far when the government of the country is corrupt, government is corrupt, and things like gang violence is out of control. Giving people in this situation a hand out might feed them for a day; but certainly won't feed them for a lifetime.

And country changes must come from within. Sure, we could do our best with American Imperialism, but when was the last time country building was effective in the long term when done by outside influences? History says never. If you have a plan to help these countries and change them long term to turn them into functioning democracies with a thriving economy, please, lay it out. Again, history tells us it takes generations. Just look at Mexico. How long did it take for them to vote out their corruption? And they are still undergoing the changes, but circa 2012, Mexico was a functioning democracy with a thriving economy. And guess what happened to those wishing to emigrate to the US? It fell off significantly from Mexico.

But again, this is an organic process that outside influence tends to hurt more than it helps.

Meanwhile, we still have a demand for immigrant labor. Here's an article about immigration labor shortages on agriculture, construction, hospitality, and senior healthcare industries. What plans do we have to fill these labor shortage issues? It's not like we have a ton of unemployed people looking for jobs. And the overwhelming majority of people on welfare are senior citizens, children under 18, or those with serious physical or mental disabilities. Not generally the best labor pool source.

What is a good labor pool source that is close, willing to work, and inexpensive? Immigrants.

Want to genuinely help these people? Have your Congressman and Senator support a Gang of 8 style immigration law. Helps us and it helps them. Trying to nation build? That's about effective as Trump's wall was in stopping immigrants from coming here.

 

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Exhibit A that post 154 was not "wrong."

 

I will now stop my snarky, but witty, responses to you. Your response here is encouraging and something that we may find some agreement in. My issue, from the get-go of your response, seems to be suggesting that allowing refugees from these horrible countries into the United States without permission is any type of solution to the problem. In my opinion, this is what exacerbates the problem. You can’t take all the good people out of a country and expect the country to thrive. We need to disincentivize attempting to come into the United States illegally, and address the underlying issue in their home countries. It’s not nation building, but if it gets to that point, I’m all for it as a last choice. There is literally no other solution that will work. We need the good people of Guatemala to stay in Guatemala and make the changes there. Our current policy, under the last 10+ Presidents, is causing much more harm than good.

The biggest problem to any solution is the axiom: power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I don’t have any solutions to that.

 

There are no solutions. Change within a country has to be organic, from within, and work over time. We can encourage countries to undergo the change, but anything additional will be nation building. Which is destined to fail.

And this means there will be refugees. It's simply a fact, and has been since the dawn of countries. And since the beginning of the US, we have been seen as the land of opportunity. We still are today. Again, just look at all the links from different sectors of the economy facing labor shortages. We have a need for labor, and these refugees, for the most part, want to work. Why shouldn't we change the laws to allow supply of labor to legally meet demand?

Anyone have a better plan? Again, Trump tried everything and slowed legal immigration, but did nothing to stop undocumented immigrants. Arizona, Alabama, and Georgia all passed state laws around 2010, and all failed spectacularly. Florida just passed one and is it just coincidence they are now leading the nation in inflation after many immigrants fled the state?

Make your case for a better answer than an expanded guest worker program. What is it, why it will work when all other plans failed? Costs? Benefits? Potential pitfalls? The expanded guest worker problem won't solve all the border/immigration problems, but it's far better than what we have today. And we shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good, especially when there isn't a perfect solution.

 

Focusing on Guatemala, for example purposes only, if you take all of the skilled workers out of Guatemala, who are typically the ones that try to come to the United States to make a better life, you are leaving nothing but uneducated, elderly, unskilled, and typically criminals in Guatemala. There can be no change in Guatemala when the masses do not have the skill set to make the change. I understand the charity involved in trying to feed the children here, etc., but that causes more damage and will never work. I feel like many of the problems that face us individually, as a nation, and/or in humanity in general all suffer the same hurdle: we cannot come to an agreement on the endgame. If the endgame is to provide food and shelter for everyone, which I hope that’s the end game, doing so in the United States is an extremely short term solution for a select few. I would call it a Band-Aid, but that would be an insult to the Band-Aid. We need leadership with with a grander vision. Currently, under our current system, we are unable to reach an agreement on anything because both the right and the left think the other side is always wrong. Nobody can concede a good idea, Nobody can concede a bad idea. This message board is a microcosm of the ills of our nation.

 

Remember folks, these are the people that brought you the

What Would Jesus Do bracelets.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't kick woman and children back into razor wire in the middle of a river.

 

Since we're into semantics how can advocates of legislation likely to result in these outcomes call themselves "pro-life"? While the first incident occurred in Ireland and the second in Poland it's only matter of time before an unfortunate woman in a state like Texas loses her life because doctors wouldn't risk prosecution under a vaguely worded law.
Woman dies after abortion request 'refused' at Galway hospital
Protests flare up across Poland as another pregnant woman’s death is blamed on abortion law

 

Early '80s. A group came to our house asking for donations to aid Cuban refugees thrown out of Cuba by Castro. My Mom, "I'll give you bullets. When you get back to Cuba, I'll send you guns to use the bullets to get rid of your dictators. Have a nice day." As many have written, nation building is a joke unless it comes from within. Well, "within" is not in America. And, please stop this Statue of Liberty rhetoric/meme. It's a statue given to America by the French with a pleasant but meaningless, nonsensical paragraph. It has absolutely zero legal import.

 

i’m not sure, but I think they’re the same people like you who drive their cars every day, despite there being almost 50,000 automobile deaths last year, and don’t call their automobiles “death machines.” But let’s focus on the 7 women who died from getting an abortion last year and ignore the approximately 1 million murdered small humans. Science!

 

The statue matched our policy at the time. It was only later that we began to violate that as our policy on immigration.

 

he wouldn’t have to, he’s Jesus. He would just walk them back over the river… back to the side they started on.

 

So how many guns did she send to Cuba?

 

A statue does not write immigration policies...

 

No, it is a sign of who we are. And our failure to live up to those ideals afterwards.