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Are we being pushed into another Civil War?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by UFLawyer, Jul 18, 2023.

  1. Trickster

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    It's subtle bragging.
    BTW: Perhaps the better question is: if you're not a lawyer, may you imply you are?
     
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  2. ajoseph

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    First, this reply seems wholly out of place since the post you responded was discussing Gerald Ford’s pardon and whether it was a good idea.

    Second, responding directly to your response, you should re-read your TITLE TO YOUR THREAD, as well as your very first post, for starters. You might think you never said it, or thought it, or insinuated it, but I promise I didn’t wake up this morning and just think to myself, “I wonder if Uflawyer wants some good ole fashion American genocide.”
     
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  3. Trickster

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    Thanks. His intellectual (so to speak) dishonesty is such that I'm done arguing with him.
     
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  4. ajoseph

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    And your response tells us that you didn’t book the class for crim law I.

    At the expense of repetition, the victim in every criminal case is the State itself. Every single one.
     
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  5. gatorchamps960608

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    Trump has consistently shown throughout his life that not holding him responsible for his crimes just emboldens him to commit more of them.

    He is already stating if reelected that he will seize power over all government agencies including the DOJ to wage war against his opponents eliminating independent operation.

    Yes, he is an enemy of the state. If he isn't in Putin's pocket (FYI, he is), he is certainly now in MBS's.
     
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  6. mrhansduck

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    I don't dispute many perceive that the Biden administration is targeting Trump for partisan political reasons and is secretly micro-managing the various investigations and indictments.

    You said previously that "violence will be a consequence of the left’s blind orange man bad mantra," and I think that is very one-sided. First, there are many independents and Republicans who don't agree with that perception. Two, unless I missed it, you have not condemned the heated rhetoric and lies that have come from Trump and many of his supporters which have fueled many of the perceptions in the first place. As far as I can tell, your ire seems nearly all - if not exclusively - directed at Democrats/the left. Don't Trump and the right get some blame too, for the increased tensions in this country? Would you be happy to see Trump correct the record, accept a plea deal, or step aside for the good of the country and let the best Republican take on Biden? Is it everybody else's job to clean up the mess he made?

    For the record and based upon what I know, I don't think the indictment for the hush-money payoff should have been pursued particularly after the Feds declined to do so and a state prosecutor is having to make novel arguments about the cover up of a consensual affair. I thought Ken Starr was overzealous in going after Clinton for trying to cover up an affair, but Clinton wound up admitting what he did and entered into a plea deal. The classified documents case seems much more serious based upon the indictment at least. We will have to wait and see what the J6 indictment alleges if and when that even happens. I suppose we will know relatively soon whether an indictment is coming in that case or not. If it does, I do worry about some rogue extremists lashing out, but I don't think most Americans are as primed for a civil war as you seem to think.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    Without seeing the indictment, will the charges be related to his seeking fake electors and asking states to “find votes” or will the charges be related to the January 6th riot itself? If it’s the riot, this is a waste of time. If it’s due to the fake electors and trying to overturn the election, then I believe it is problematic for Trump.
     
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  8. citygator

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    Feels weird typing this.. but.. I agree with you.
     
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  9. mikemcd810

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  10. Orange_and_Bluke

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    You’ve added nothing but nastiness…again.
    Congrats. Hope your mean it when you say you’re out.
     
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  11. gatorchamps960608

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    Charges wouldn't be for the riot alone but for all of the meetings and planning to have Biden not certified and hold the government for Trump by hook or by crook.
     
  12. UFLawyer

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    Absolutely, but those are not the facts as are being reported here. Nobody here is claiming Trump compromised national security, or caused anyone’s death. Instead, it appears that he’s being charged with mostly obstruction. If the evidence here points to the fact that Trump removed classified documents, (that he had not previously declassified) and that as a result that caused the death or injury of a US or foreign citizen, or compromised significant US interest, Then I am all in on convicting him (assuming that conduct is clearly criminal), and throwing him in jail. There is, however, one caveat. The US attorneys office would also have to disclose the general contents of the classified documents that were in the wrongful possession of all of the other government officials and former presidents that everyone on this message board knows about. If it’s not equal justice under the law, then it’s not justice. If, for example, Hillary Clinton had documents on her server, or her phone, which could have compromised the life of human sources, she should be prosecuted to the exact same extent as Trump. Do you agree?
     
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  13. gatorchamps960608

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    There is no legal standard on the classified docs laws about harm having to come from illicit possession of them.

    The Espionage Act doesn't even require intent. Simply possessing national defense information without authorization is sufficient guilt.
     
  14. UFLawyer

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    I know multiple rape victims who would have a few choice words for your nonsensical assertion. They can’t be repeated here.
     
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  15. UFLawyer

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    Ughhhh. Does anyone on this message board play chess? Anyone?
     
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  16. ajoseph

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    They are not the party bringing the case, no matter how much you feel it’s unsavory. They can say they are not pressing charges, and the state can still press the case. That is the nature of criminal law.
     
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    I refuse to read this entire cluster f@&& of a thread but if you think only 5000 liberals have guns in this country that know how to use them and are willing to defend their way of life from fat rednecks that’ll probably piss Busch lite down their leg at the first sign of resistance you’re going to be sorely disappointed and probably riddled with holes.
     
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  18. UFLawyer

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    I do not believe this to be true. The mere possession of classified documents, in and of itself, does not appear to be a crime under the espionage act. I do not claim to be an expert on the Act as I’ve only read it in a cursory fashion. But I did do a little research on it, and was unable to locate any interpretation of the Act in which possession alone was criminalized. I think it’s primarily used if, by possession and dissemination you injure the United States, and or benefit a foreign nation. Somebody with more knowledge can weigh in on this.
     
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  19. UFLawyer

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    Holy shit. You just summarized 10 pages in a few sentences. LOL
     
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  20. UFLawyer

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    No, it’s not the nature of criminal law. The state is not the victim of the crime, the victim is the victim of the crime. The state uses the power and resources of the state to punish criminals and enforce laws. Come on man.
     
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