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The U.S. sex reassignment surgery market size

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by studegator, Jun 20, 2023.

  1. okeechobee

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    Less than 20% of doctors today are members of the AMA. One of the chief concerns is:

    "The media often quotes the AMA as being the voice of doctors. Yet, less than 20% of physicians in our country are even members. When doctors see these things in the media, it further tears down our trust because we have not been asked where we stand on the issues. While, they are speaking up that they are representing us. No, they are not and the media and general public need to learn that the AMA no longer represents the majority of doctors in the US."

    Is the AMA Really the Voice of Physicians in the US? - Physician's Weekly.
     
  2. gatorpa

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    This is what I’m trying to convey to City, but he want to believe what he wants to believe.
    His belief is that irreversible surgery isn’t just okay but the absolute right thing to do for people who often are suffering from other mental health issues and that all the doctors are on board with it.

    Well it’s just not that way.
    Doctors don’t all walk in lock step with each other, often there isn’t an absolute right best way.
    Sorry that it’s a bit more complex than that.

    The studies brought up to validate this wouldn’t have passed the scrutiny when we were discussing novel treatments for covid but now it’s okay.
     
  3. gator_lawyer

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    These surgeries are the right thing to do for some people. Trans people should have the right to consult with medical professionals and make that call for themselves. Nobody is forcing anybody into anything.
     
  4. studegator

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    Increasing Number Of European Nations Adopt A More Cautious Approach To Gender-Affirming Care Among Minors
    A common claim by Americans who oppose state restrictions on gender-affirming care for minors is that Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands and the U.K. have not done away with hormonal interventions, and therefore lawmakers who seek limits are presumably going against what European health authorities recommend. Additionally, voices in America’s “affirmative-medicine” movement point to Europe not having bans on gender-affirming care for minors. It’s true that Europeans aren’t banning such care, and so legislators in the U.S. who pursue bans are at odds with European recommendations. But this only tells part of an evolving and layered story.
    At the risk of overgeneralizing, the American approach provides more autonomy to minors, in which the medical establishment’s role is mostly to affirm a child’s declaration that he or she is trans. This affirmative model immediately removes several of the guardrails put in place by, say, the Dutch Protocol, resulting in a possible deficient lack of medical “safeguarding.”

    A growing number of nations in Europe are not practicing “gender-affirming care” for minors in quite the same way as America is. In fact, for several years, Europe has been moving in a different direction from the U.S., as Europeans exercise greater restraint when treating children with gender dysphoria. In essence, progressively the message emanating from European gender experts is that until there is reliable long-term evidence that the benefits of youth gender transition outweigh the risks, it is prudent to limit most medical interventions to rigorous clinical research settings.
     
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  5. pkaib01

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    You talking about the difference between body dysmorphic disorder and gender dysphoria, which seems fair since they share some of the same mental and societal stresses. There are some interesting articles on the similarity and differences of the two disorders on page 1 of a google search.

    In gender dysphoria, the surgeries are often considered crucial and necessary to complete the transition. The success rate of easing the dysphoria is good once completed.

    BDD, on the other hand, is treated with psychological intervention rather than surgical intervention. That intervention is covered by insurance that cover mental health services. The challenge with BDD is that the unhappiness with one's body doesn't stop with the cosmetic surgery of one part. Dissatisfaction with one's breast size quickly shifts to another body part after augmentation since the condition is characterized as persistent and excessive preoccupation with one's appearance. Think OCD. This condition differs from the typical vanity that often leads to cosmetic surgery.

    To my knowledge, there is no evidence linking vanity directly to increased suicide rates. There is evidence that BDD can lead to increased suicide rates, but surgery is not considered a cure for it while surgery is hugely beneficial for gender dysphoria.... on the whole.

    "on the whole" - an idiomatic expression that means considering all aspects or taking everything into account. It is often used to provide an overall assessment or conclusion based on a comprehensive view of a situation, including various factors, elements, or perspectives. It implies considering the entirety or the bigger picture rather than focusing on specific details or individual aspects.
     
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  6. studegator

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    My Research on Gender Dysphoria Was Censored. But I Won’t Be.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/trans-activists-killed-my-scientific-paper?utm_source=substack&publication_id=260347&post_id=134179542&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true

    I am a professor of psychology at Northwestern University. I have been a professor for 34 years, and a researcher for 40. Over the decades, I have studied controversial topics—from IQ, to sexual orientation, to transsexualism (what we called transgenderism before 2015), to pedophilia. I have published well over 100 academic articles. I am best known for studying sexual orientation—from genetic influences, to childhood precursors of homosexuality, to laboratory-measured sexual arousal patterns.
    My research has been denounced by people of all political stripes because I have never prioritized a favored constituency over the truth.
    But I have never had an article retracted. Until now.

     
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  7. wgbgator

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    I love someone bragging about publishing "well over 100 articles" while claiming to be censored
     
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  8. pkaib01

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    "Among its problems were that it collected data from parents instead of the adolescents and young adults or clinicians involved "and therefore does not validate the phenomenon," according to the correction notice on the articleopens in a new tab or window. The updated version also stated that ROGD "is not a formal mental health diagnosis at this time.""

    For more balance....

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/104685
     
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  9. gator_lawyer

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    Bailey failed to get informed consent, failed to get approval from his university's IRB, and relied on data from a website that catered to parents who refused to accept their transgender children. And then runs to Bari Weiss's rag to cry how unfair it is he is being "cancelled" because the publisher didn't want to stand by his flawed article.
     
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  10. pkaib01

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    You may not know this, but the retraction of discredited research is proof of a coverup and serves to validate the research. :rolleyes:
     
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  11. pkaib01

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    I don't understand how you can casually make such a broad comparison. I also don't understand why you feel compelled to do so.
     
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  12. pkaib01

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    Can you substantiate that?

    The initial regret rate for reaffirming care is 1% according a survey of 27 studies and even then it was only temporary for some. Some did go through de-transitioning, reversing the process.
     
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  13. pkaib01

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    The GOP really is schizophrenic. I can't keep track. On one hand, the military is no place for LGBTQ+ and rainbows on helmets. On the other, they should be eligible for the draft.

    Where does this leave trans women? Do they have to register?

     
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    Time to Think by Hannah Barnes review – inside Britain’s only clinic for trans children | Society books | The Guardian

    I have heard this person speak on the issue a couple of times. She is a reporter who spent years investigating. Her reporting seems pretty balanced.

    What is kind of concerning is years ago the typical child that was treated who started manifesting from an early age, typically more biological boys. Then somewhere around 2016 all of a sudden the volume increase, and 2/3 were teen girls who had only recently manifested gender dysphoria. In many cases they had many other mental health issues, history or sexual abuse etc.
     
  15. gator_lawyer

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    I'm not sure how that is responsive to my post. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
     
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  17. gator_lawyer

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    Except for the fact that I was responding specifically to an article written by an author complaining about being "cancelled" because a journal rescinded his shoddy work.

    As for medicine, that's not my business. Keep the government out of it. Let the doctors and patients figure out what's best. Europe can do what it wants. We'll do what we do.
     
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    Nothing to see here …

     
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