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Screen Actors Guild joins writers on strike

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  1. OklahomaGator

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    Just saw that ACC football will be on the CW, at least they will have some new original comedy to air next fall.
     
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  2. Emmitto

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    Yeah, they need the final season of Handmaid’s Tale to be shut down, lest they spoil the ending of reality.
     
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  3. Trickster

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    I haven’t watched a network show of any kind other than 60 Minutes in probably 30 years. That one addiction is enough.
     
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  4. sas1988

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    2 you have to give a try = "It's Always Sunny In Philly" & "What We Do In The Shadows". No laugh tracks. Also anything by Ricky Gervaice (sic).
     
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  5. cocodrilo

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    I'm willing to bet that those two are in some streaming place like (I can't even think of the names) that you have to pay extra for. I remember when there was nothing but ABC, CBS, and NBC. And after midnight there was nothing but test patterns. Those were the days.
     
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    I believe both are FX (standard cable) shows.
    I too remember falling asleep in front of the T.V. only to awaken when the "snow" started, or when they used to play the national anthem before sign offs.
    Man I'm getting long in the tooth.
     
  7. BossaGator

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    If anyone is looking for a good new show, The Diplomat (Netflix) is excellent. Not a comedy but it has its moments
     
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  8. tampagtr

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    That was excellent.
     
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  9. homer

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    Bless their hearts.
     
  10. tampagtr

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  11. mrhansduck

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    Laugh tracks are annoying to me, too. Maybe it's an OCD thing, but once I hear it, I can't stop focusing on it, and the rogue male or female laughs that are louder and goofier than the rest of the laughter are particularly ridiculous. I've even tried to identify how many variations they're using for a specific show and if I can detect the same exact laugh clip being repeated. Yeah, I'm weird but good to know I'm not the only one annoyed by them.
     
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  12. tilly

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    My Name is Earl.
    4 seasons.

    Pretty original content.
     
  13. cocodrilo

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    I noticed that Saturday Night Live, back when I still watched it, started using canned laughter too. You can tell the difference between the canned stuff and some laughs from the studio audience, which as I recall was a small one. It appeared that as the years went by, and the old stars like Bill Murray, Dan Ackroyd, and Gilda Radnor were gone (and apparently some good writers too), that some studio laughter just wasn't enough anymore.

    The worst I've ever seen (or I should say heard) was, of all things, a Mel Brooks sitcom. Now Brooks was a funny man (when he had good writers, as in Blazing Saddles), but this TV series, about Robin Hood and his merry men, had a laugh track turned up so loud it was totally distracting. I never figured out why Brooks would resort to such unprecedented noise to seem funny. As for the series, it was gone pretty quick, canned laughter and all.
     
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  14. tampagtr

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    Powerful

     
  15. homer

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    I’ll enjoy watching them eat their own then blame it on conservatives.

    Strike away forever.
     
  16. tampagtr

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    Not me, not only generally but also selfishly. My daughter worries about her career/job from a prolonged strike.

    And don't assume the producers are liberals. I would think they are just the opposite
     
  17. homer

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    They will go after the ones in the industry making the big bucks.

    Then as usual blame it on someone else. I predict it will be conservatives.

    I may be wrong. We will see.
     
  18. tampagtr

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    Well they are certainly blaming the 10 executives whose annual compensation in the aggregate exceeds $2.2 billion that are saying the industry cannot afford increases in aggregate contracts totaling $450-600 million. Those numbers are issued by advocates and some of the annual compensation numbers may include executives should not be included, although the largest ones certainly should (see tweet above), and they may be including years in which there are big stock cash outs that artificially inflated the annual compensation.

    But even if you assume it's only 60% of annual compensation, that still means aggregate annual compensation of $1.3 billion. Moody's is the party that estimates that the current value of the 3 Guild contracts as $450-600 millions. Of course they are requesting increases. But even with 25% increases, you get $750 million (too expensive) vs. $1.3 billion in executive compensation. So seems fair to blame them.

    And that's not even talking about the two nonmonetary issues, which is transparency and AI. The studios have not pushed back on the claims that in the negotiation with the writers they offered absolute nothing on AI - the ability to use the writer's work product without limitation, with possible future meetings to discuss. On actors, they offered one day's compensation to digitize your image which they could then use without your consent or further payment ad infinitum. Those sounded too extreme to believe, but I note that the studios have not pushed back on those very public accounts even though they have PR professionals.


    And then there was the issue of transparency. Kim Masters in this week's podcast explained why studios are so resistant to providing their base metrics. They use them for different reasons. Amazon considers how much their shows promote the other ends of the business (as opposed to Netflix, which measures how much it promotes subscriptions). Disney+ products are also measured by how much they promote Park and cruise expenditures and create lifelong customers in future generations. So the studios have some decent reasons in wanting to hold on to the data.


    But you still have the issue that your income is based your purported value which you have no way of verifying. Plenty of stories out there about working on the most popular shows out there and receiving practically nothing, because you had no idea what your value actually was. And the industry practically revolves around NDAs.
     
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  19. homer

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    Thanks for this info, much of what I didn’t know.

    Why wouldn’t the top earning actors be a target also? Why can’t they receive less and have the difference go to the lesser actors and support staff, etc.?

    This is a lot more complex than I realized. So my initial comments were out of ignorance.

    Sounds like a few are heavily compensated while most, who do all the work, are under compensated.

    Automation is affecting about every industry.
     
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  20. tampagtr

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    True about automation. None of us are immune, and I would be less sympathetic if the unions insisted om a long-term rule that it could never be used. But they were just trying to come up with compensation schedules, and also preserve their work product. The writers didn't want to
    be asked to polish up the script originally done by AI. I'm somewhat sympathetic on that one, but I'm more sympathetic to the fact that AI would basically learn through having all of their scripts downloaded. Normally they give up the rights to their scripts when they write them, even with modifications, but to have those then used on a derivative basis in a mass download to "teach" a program, or whatever you want to call what AI does to it, did seem to be beyond the pale.

    And especially for the actors, only getting one days pay with the studio having perpetual rights without further payment or consent, That just seemed crazy.

    And the transparency issues are tough. I understand the studios, but really you can't have no upside for someone who makes the studio a lot of money. I understand that the writer/actor is also guaranteed for being paid even if the project's a loser, so obviously you give up some of the upside in return for a guaranteed downside. But to have projects make hundreds of millions of dollars for the studio without any sharing with the lower level actors and writers, who in any event could never verify who much money their efforts made the studio, seemed to me to be too much.

    Hard to know what to say about the highly paid actors. The union rules are not really for them. They negotiate their own deals. So far they're very supportive although I don't know if they would be if they felt like they had to give up something. I don't know that level of intra union relationships. And there's a lot of nepotism as well. I don't really know on those issues and none of my sympathies are with the wealthy successful ones.

    In fact, one of my statements I routinely make to my wife is that the well-recognized character actors, which themselves are big successes compared to the day-to-day types, especially those who don't often get work, are what really make a movie/show work. They will sublimate their character to the project, whereas the big stars are always more about preserving their brand.

    Two things we watch this weekend illustrate the distinction in my mind. Mission Impossible had fun stunts to watch, but the dialogue and character development felt like it was written by Tom Cruise's publicist and had no substance. In fact it was distracting.

    On the other hand, Jared Harris is one of the great character actors that makes every production he is in. He is the reason I gave Foundation on Apple plus a chance, despite not being a fan of the genre, and he never disappoints.

    So I'm not a fan of hardly any of the big stars. The only thing that having big stars tells me is that it has a big budget which usually but not always mean that the rest of it will be more carefully produced. But if I had my way we just all be lower level actors. I prefer ensembles and character actors anyway if there's any subtlety to the production or the script.
     
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