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Legalized judicial racism…

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by UFLawyer, Jul 10, 2023.

  1. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Nice idea…block one of the top conservative posters because you keep getting dominated on the board.
     
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  2. UFLawyer

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    so removal isn’t enough? Got it. Research-useless. How about names of inmates. You see, all the stuff you site is crap. Show me the apples to apples inmates sentenced by the same judge to different lengths of sentence. Too many variables go into the research to draw generalized conclusion.
     
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  4. UFLawyer

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    Oh no, please don’t block me. I’ll miss your insightful wit and compelling truths. How about if I promise to use your pronouns for a week?
     
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  5. UFLawyer

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    Well fudge. They overturned the election? Does President Trump know? When you say interfere with a Presidential election are we talking about the same group? Media? FBI? Democrats? Chinese? So many choices….
     
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  6. Orange_and_Bluke

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  7. Orange_and_Bluke

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    The guy owns the libbies on TooHot. What’s not to love…
     
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  8. Gator515151

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    I seem to remember "protesters" rushing secret service barriers in front of the White House back in May & June of 2020, I believe Trump was rushed to the basement for safety reasons, but of course we can't call that an insurrection.
     
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  9. UFLawyer

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    no way friend. That’s called peaceful protest.

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  10. mdgator05

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    Yeah, when you state "research-useless," you out yourself as being in serious about the topic. Research is important because it proves an issue across a system rather than anecdotally.

    Also, the word you are looking for is "cite," since you are against the bastardization of the English language.
     
  11. UFLawyer

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    The problem with your research premise is you assume social justice warriors (whether private or state funded) have any idea how the legal system works. You can’t research what you don’t understand. In particular, any attorney on here who practices in the courtroom will tell you that every judge is different. Heck, even within the in a single courthouse, the dichotomy between judges can be astonishing. Within my primary state of practice (Illinois) you have Chicago (my primary practice) the 4-5 counties surrounding Chicago, then all the other 60+ counties. They share little in common. And while the dichotomy is possible to be based on race, I have never seen it. Instead, I see judges who hate/like certain Law firms, certain attorneys, certain causes of actions. I see dumb/smart judges, dumb/smart attorneys. I see 50 states, each with different statutory laws and defenses, each with different case law interpreting both. I see geographically, at the local, state and national level, concentrations of people based upon wealth, race, religion. I see the different politics of the country with concentration of blue political power in in the big cities and red political power everywhere else. I see the overwhelming number of crimes committed in urban population centers, primarily run by one party (blue). Most critical is that every crime is different because every crime has different facts, different perpetrators, different victims and different aggravating factors.

    You see, all these factors and more tell me, a semi-retired litigation attorney, that there isn’t really any national “system” to analyze for any study which could reach a broad conclusion. Human bias can only really be determined at the courtroom level, looking at the human. General crimes and convictions do not share enough commonality to serve as useful data. This is like studying street dogs mutts then writing a paper on wolves. If you limited the study to Federal Courts, maybe there is a chance, but the same issues I identified above still linger there.

    Finally, if you don’t like my grammar blame Siri and my unwillingness to proof stuff on a message board. Or blame me. Either way, it matters not to me.
     
  12. dynogator

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    I'm talking about the herd of morons that invaded the Capitol for the stated purpose of hanging Mike Pence, and stopping the confirmation process of the new president. The fact that they executed their plan with cartoonish ineptitude in no way mitigates their intentions and actions.
     
  13. UFLawyer

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    If you think the group of strangers that entered into the capital on January 6, had a plan, then you should probably take a look in the mirror when using the descriptive words above in your post.
     
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    It was a mixed bag, which is a reason why there was such a huge range of outcomes. Many were at the lawful rally and weren't arrested because they didn't break the law. Others breached the barricades but didn't commit violence. Some got caught up in the moment and were fighting cops and threatening the media there. Some did have a plan, and they were communicating leading up to and during the event with a stash of firearms nearby and waiting on a signal, such as Trump declaring martial law.
     
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  15. dynogator

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    I didn't say it was a good plan. There was prior coordination on social media, a "call to arms," if you will. The participants were united in a goal--"Stop the Steal," even if the execution was disjointed.
     
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    Tarrio (Proud Boys), Rhodes (Oath Keepers), Gracia (Latinos For Trump) and others totally not meeting and planning in DC on January 5th.

    To really drive home how much this is totally not a plan, Tarrio told Gracia he had left no evidence on his phone or laptop “…so you don’t have to worry.”

    “Worry” about totally not having planned anything, presumably.
     
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  17. mdgator05

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    Each of the authors has a Ph.D. in criminology. They have spent decades of their life understanding crime and the justice system.

    What you are describing is individual-level variance. The problem is that you are saying that you can't study an issue with individual-level variance, when the reality is that you can only study issues with variance statistically. A regression classifies variance into several categories: variance in the dependent variable (in this case, a variety of measures of criminal sanctions) that is associated with changes in the variable of interest (in this case, race), variance that is associated with other control variables, and variance that is unexplained. By your reckoning, we couldn't do things like capture unemployment, because there is individual-level variance (some people were employed both months, some people went from employed to unemployed, some people went from unemployed to employed, and some people stayed unemployed). By your logic, we would be unable to study unemployment due to all the individual-level variance. But that is, obviously, untrue.

    That isn't grammar. It is word choice. Similar to how upset you were about people using a common synonym (insurrection) for the word that you find correct (sedition).
     
  18. UFLawyer

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    I can live with that analysis. I would add that merely walking through the front door of capital while the door was open does not appear, without more, to be criminal.
     
  19. UFLawyer

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    there is no evidence of what you are saying on a global scale. There were 1000s there. Neither you nor CNN know what info everyone had. Nothing but dangerous speculation.
     
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  20. mrhansduck

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    Yeah, some physically breached the police barrier (or windows, doors, of the Capitol). Others walked through or climbed over the breaches created by others but didn't personally cause damage. I believe some in the latter group were charged with relatively minor offenses such as trespass, entering and remaining in a restricted area, and/or disorderly conduct. I know at least one guy was convicted but not sure if he appealed.
     
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