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Legalized judicial racism…

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by UFLawyer, Jul 10, 2023.

  1. UFLawyer

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    then compensate the victims, don’t create new ones!
     
  2. mdgator05

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    Yeah, that isn't happening either. Let me know when the victims of Jim Crow laws receive compensation for the harms committed to them.
     
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  3. UFLawyer

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    Non responsive. What specifically are you trying to correct from 2010? These are state judges, not federal judges. U.S. Senators have no say. With that said, show me any Republican who has refused to impeach a judge who is racist.
     
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    Do you REALLY not understand that skin color has been a determining factor in prosecution and sentencing in this country since it's inception? That color has been white, and it's been wielded to the advantage of the white man.
     
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  5. UFLawyer

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    Give me the names and contact information of these victims and some verifiable details on their injuries and I will personally send them checks, up to $5,000.00, and use my time, reputation and influence to get them maximum restitution from the wrongdoers. Post names here so everyone can pitch in, including yourself since you raised this out of obvious concern. Let’s get this done!
     
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  6. UFLawyer

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    Examples from every decade or year would help. Can you provide some, or are you going to respond with a personal attack? Give us examples, not arguments, not random papers from grad students…..give us names!
     
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    Seriously do you think a Black convicted of a serious felony who received a 20-year sentence rather than a hypothetical 10-year sentence were he white would ever receive compensation? Keep in mind the subject isn't wrongful convictions although Blacks tend to suffer from that type of injustice much more frequently than Whites it's the disparity in sentencing based on race.
     
  8. UFLawyer

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    Are you being serious? This is California. This is the same groups of nuts that are trying to pass legislation to mandate reparations. They just passed this stupid bill. You don’t think they could pass a bill that would provide compensation to any convict who is proven to have been sentenced to a higher number of years due to race? Be serious here.
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    Racial disparities in sentencing (it should be noted, that I pulled the years from your post).

    Federal judges show slightly higher rates of racial disparities, but, you are correct, this bill deals with state and local judges, who show substantial disparities as well.

    A nice attempt to be non-responsive to my request while reversing the burden of proof. Seriously, can you find me one Republican who has proposed impeaching judges for racial disparities in sentencing?
     
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  10. mdgator05

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    You need it verified that separate but equal schools harmed people or that not being able to vote harmed people (not to mention the literally thousands of other harms inflicted on black people under Jim Crow)? Or do you think there aren't black people alive today that were born into Jim Crow?

    Basically, anybody who wanted to vote but could not was harmed. Anybody that had to attend a lesser school because of their race was harmed. Anybody who ever was unable to get a job due to race was harmed. I hope you are ready for a whole lot of $5,000 checks. But, I would suggest that the offer wasn't in good faith and was, instead, virtue signaling on your part.
     
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  11. gator_lawyer

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    Skin color is already a determining factor in sentencing. This law is seeking to address that problem. It's not an issue of de jure discrimination at this point (i.e., the law saying give Black people worse sentences). It's an issue of de facto discrimination (biases leading to disproportionate sentences). Telling judges to consider disparate impact is a good thing.

    This is attacking the root of the problem: racial bias in sentencing. It's telling that you think requesting judges to consider the disparate impact racially discriminatory sentencing has is "affirmative action."

    Judge A gives Black men 10% longer sentences than similarly situated white men. Due to this law, Judge A must consider that disparate impact and starts reducing his sentences for Black men so that they match the similarly situated white men. Under your rationale, that's "affirmative action." Under my rationale, that's actual "colorblindness," which is what y'all claim to support.

    It's one thing to genuinely believe in "colorblindness." It's another to only want to be "colorblind" to the impacts of racial bias in our systems.
     
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  12. gator_lawyer

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    Disagree. We don't have a "justice system." ;)
     
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  13. gator_lawyer

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    Feel free to head on out to Oklahoma and pitch in:
    Oklahoma judge dismisses Tulsa race massacre reparations case filed by last known survivors | CNN.
     
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    dude. You’re not a judge or jury and I don’t have any “burden of proof.” Your request is ridiculous. Can you show me a Republican who ever refused to impeach a judge who demonstrated racism. How about a Dem who demanded impeachment? There is no point in your question or mine, as a lack of response proves nothing.
     
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    So your attempting to prove that impeachment is a reasonable remedy to solving racial disparities in sentencing by getting me to admit that no Democrats have proposed that as a remedy in addition to the fact that no Republicans have even indicated that they would be okay with doing that? I think you lost sight of what we are discussing there.
     
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  17. UFLawyer

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    so that’s a no, you can’t identify any actual victims?
     
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  18. mdgator05

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    Uh, no, that wasn't the claim. The plaintiffs were there. One of the claims was from a 109 year old woman, who was 7 at the time, and whose family was forced to move due to the destruction of the community, which provided more economic opportunity for black residents (which would include her upon reaching adulthood) than other communities.
     
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  19. mdgator05

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    Basically, every live black person from the South over the age of 70. Do you need me to find you a list of individual people that fit that description?
     
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  20. gator_lawyer

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    Are you illiterate? All three are survivors of the literal massacre. Here's one of the three talking about her experience escaping the race massacre:
    Viola Ford Fletcher, oldest living Tulsa Race Massacre victim, publishes memoir