Trump vs Desantis: New THFSG Poll Added

I don't think the story is a "blunder" on his part. He's pitching a great game, he just doesn't have any run support.

I think DeSantis is the pros of Trump without the baggage. A lot of Democrats and some independents hate the culture war stuff. The culture war stuff is a feature not a bug.

 

The culture war stuff is deplorable. All I see is a guy who has red hot hatred for anyone and everyone who is not his facsimile. I can never see beyond it.

 

And I think you raise a very interesting point as to our disagreed point of view regarding the culture wars. I think the cultural battles he is fighting are helpful for a majority of Americans, just like Democrats think that the cultural changes for which they are advocating are helpful for America as a whole.

Democrats are just unaccustomed to this kind of conservative after years of Paul Ryan types who didn't care about this stuff letting Democrats (even at the federal level) driving unimpeded at the wheel of policy impacting the culture for decades. Conservatives were openly conservative about culture in the 90s, but their primary pitch for a long time was economics and for Democrats it was culture. Now, Republicans seem to think their coalition on culture is not only stronger, but more influential than that of economics. And I think that's probably true.

It's not that the Republican Party's values changed, it's that the values of Democrats grew more openly excessive as time passed and now Republicans (I believe correctly) sense an opportunity.

And it's not that economics isn't important, it is absolutely important, but my theory is that most people either already have their mind made up on fiscal policy or they don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, so Republicans just don't have quite the same numbers on that front despite results they can sell. When the split is more 50/50 and nobody's budging, that might be the most important issue, but focusing on that while neglecting the culture would just be a messaging mistake from a strategic perspective. I believe they do have the numbers on the transing of the kids and on education, and frankly just from a decency perspective it IS a more important issue. It affects less voters, but it's much more important.

 

That's just an irrationally prejudicial view of DeSantis because that's not what he is.

You're making the same mistake that Democrats always seem to make with the abortion issue. You're assuming disapproval for the action is hatred towards the person themself, that the disapproval for the action is rooted in a hatred towards the person, and you're ignoring the elephant in the room by ignoring the fetus in the abortion issue, and a whole generation of children being taught that this sort of thing is normal which will undoubtedly cause all sorts of mental health issues.

Ardent trans advocates like talking about this as a public health issue AND a freedom issue. When we're discussing the issue as it pertains to adults (but NOT children), I think the "freedom" argument is a compelling point. However, with respect to the issue of "public health" even if we're isolating this discussion for adults (and it's incredibly more true when discussing children), handling gender dysphoria on a broad cultural level the way that Democrats want to handle it will cause far more public health harm than good.

For every one person suffering from gender dysphoria who feels validated from society pretending that Caitlyn Jenner is a woman, hundreds maybe thousands more children will suffer from identity crises that otherwise wouldn't have happened because the adults in the room who were supposed to guide them deliberately confused them.

 

I don't think the media is doing "positive" stories on trump at all(he doesn't deserve any) but the msm is for sure turning any little trump story into "breaking news" to cash in on how trump increases ratings. Look at cnn's ratings after trump left office. Why do you think cnn did the town hall with trump? To be fair lol?

Think there are too many people like me to prevent trump from winning in 24. Biden is an awful candidate and the R's will put forth yet another idiot for their nomination. Part of the reason i left the right.

 

It’s not “irrational” to think that a politician who openly campaigns on hate, who pushes unnecessary, jarring legislation directly purposed to censor gay lifestyle, and who systematically retaliates against anyone voicing opposition, is an unabashed bigot.

It seems to me that it is “irrational” to discard the evidence of his blatant bigotry, when he has been so open about it. That last attack ad against Trump should have silenced any doubt on the matter.

I appreciate your view of the “culture war”, in that you are tired of politicians dictating what you think and what you say. We may not agree on the message there, but I appreciate your stance - you want to fight what you view as extremism with extremism.

But my goodness, to stoke your entire platform on censoring gay lifestyle and attacking companies who stand for the rights of everyone? That is who you think should be the leader of our Nation and the icon of the Free World?!?!?!

 

What kind of sample size would you suggest for getting 4% margin of error in a survey of potential voters?

 

And when you combine all the polls, showing Trump with an average of 32 percentage points over DeSantis, that's a pretty big sample size. All of the polls show the same thing.

 

The media created the DeSantis phenomenon, he just hasn't lived up to what the media built him to be. As I said like a year ago, he's another Scott Walker/Tim Pawlenty/Rick Perry, guys media built up as "next big things" that couldnt deliver. Trump is good at getting media attention, but I think that undersells his appeal to some people. Like DeSantis and others running to the right of Trump end up making him look more reasonable and electable!

 

Alright, who voted twice?

 

Unfortunately for you lefty's your opinion on who the pubs pick has zero influence. Clean your own house before you tell us how to run ours.

 

It all has to do with religion, organized religion. See anyone that is lockstep with Dersantis or trumph and you will see a "Christian". I put it in quotes because not all Christians are falling for the gaslighting. If this is where the right is going, everyone else has to step in and prevent it. I predict there will be a stronger movement after 2024 to create a strong 3rd party. NONE of us pragmatic people want radicalism where we are told what we can do and not do in our own private lives because "the bible tells us to".

 

Personally you can run your house any way that you want. It didn't go all that well in 2020 and what should have been a wave election in 2022 resulted in an extremely narrow net gain of seats in the House, a loss of one Senate seat and a zero net gain of state governorships. If you want to let the Orange God run your party that's fine with me although I have to concede that there's still the possibility that he could win 2024 marking the demise of the US as a constitutional republic.

 

Probably anyone on here who lives in the Villages.

 

If it is fine with you then why do you and the rest of the echo chamber continually try to change the mind of anyone not left?