In Michigan, Improper Pronoun Use Could Land You in Jail

A “small select group of people”???

Can you give me an example of any human who doesn’t have any of these criteria? Seems like his bill covers every single person who exists or has ever existed…. I’m a plain, white, male, heterosexual, atheist, him/he, middle aged, American…. So I check 7 of the boxes….

(a) Race or color.

(b) Religion.

(c) Sex.

(d) Sexual orientation.

(e) Gender identity or expression.

(f) Physical or mental disability.

(g) Age.

(h) Ethnicity.

(i) National origin.

 

Very simple: The implication in the thread title and first post is that you could be thrown in jail simply for calling someone 'he' rather than 'she.'
I knew that no legislature would have passed such a law.

 

Your misconception of the law is exactly what I thought. Your assertion is not how that type of law works. You ask “Can you give me an example of any human who doesn’t have any of these criteria? ”. Yes. I can give you 1000s. The violation of the law only occurs if the “hate” is focused on one of the nine listed criteria. It has to be “I am shooting you because you’re gay” not “I am shooting you. Oh, you’re gay?” So every characteristic of you, other than the 9 listed, is irrelevant under this proposed legislation. This law does not apply equally to everyone. If your misconception were in fact true, there would be no reason to list 9 human characteristics. The bill could have just said “human”….but of course that probably would exclude Hillary Clinton, so that’s likely a non starter. The bill covers 9 groups, and not a single one outside the group. All the other 1000s of groups are excluded by operation of law.

 

read the comments from the Dems who wrote this bill. I believe you will come to see you are wrong. Only time will tell. But, if they try, the law will get tossed as unconstitutional. But it will serve its purpose: which is to strike fear in the “intolerant masses” and chill free speech.

 

LOL ... name the person who outside the group "age". Name the person who is outside the group "sex". Name the person who is outside the group "nationality". Name the person who outside the group "race"....

Go ahead ... give me some names.

And how does it not apply to everyone equally? If you get shot for being a jerk, you may be a victim of murder or attempted murder, and the shooter could be charged as such. Every jerk is equally protected.

If you get shot by a person yelling "kill all the Christians", you may be a victim of murder or attempted murder, with a hate crime kicker added on. Every religious person who gets shot by a person who hates that religion is equally protected...

The difference is the person who commits crimes based on ideologically hate reasons deserves more punishment than a person commits crimes for other reasons. I'm fine with that.

The law always has gradients of severity and punishments based on the crime ... all stealing is not the same. All homicide is not the same. Same concept here.

 

coming to a Michigan town near you…..

Teacher jailed for contempt of court after refusing to use student's gender-neutral pronouns

Street preacher arrested for 'misgendering' to appeal sentence - Premier Christian News | Headlines, Breaking News, Comment & Analysis

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/can...gainst-biological-daughters-gender-transition

https://www2.cbn.com/news/news/uk-mom-arrested-calling-transgender-activist-man


Norway: Man Sentenced for Facebook Posts 'Harassing' a Transwoman

Man arrested for discussing child's gender in court order violation

Tonje Gjevjon faces up to 3 years in prison for saying men cannot be lesbians

Canadian man jailed for calling his biologically female child as 'daughter'

Mother is arrested in front of her children after calling a transgender woman a man | Daily Mail Online

 

River says it is not happening so…
Libbies makes up the narrative and roll with it despite the facts.

 

How many of those examples are in the USA? Looks like none ...

 

You are wrong. You were wrong when you first made this claim and I calmly corrected you. Now you have just repeated the same wrong claim. How do you think that changes anything? You can’t repeat yourself into truth. LOL.

I don’t think you have actually thought your position through to its logical conclusion. If, because “age” is a protected class, and under your argument that includes everyone…wouldn’t that also include all the gay guys? If so, why is sexual orientation also listed? Do you thing legislators try to be redundant? LOL

your understanding of what this bill provides is wrong (and is grossly illogical). Accept it.

 

…and this matters why….. ??

 

Dude, I get that you are trying to confuse the issue here, but it's not working. Again, it's a hate crime bill. Age is listed if the hate crime is about age. Race is listed if the hate crime is about race. Etc. The bill lists all the criteria that would generally make a crime a hate crime. You should be able to comprehend this.

You still haven't given me an example of the "1000s of people" you claim are not protected by this bill if a hate crime were committed agaisnt them.

 

The first amendment exists in America, not Canada and Norway ... and the bill itself says constitutionally protected freedoms are not considered hate crimes.

 

there's no question that some countries have hate crime and speech laws far stricter than the U.S. That's a far cry from 'it's going to happen here!!!'

beyond that, some of those cases are about people charged with disobeying court orders, not charged with misgendering someone.

 

I see fat people are still fair game!

 

It’s a warning…

 

Literally, every single person on this forum is not protected by the bill in everyday life. I think what you’re really asking me is what groups aren’t protected. Assuming you actually think. So here’s the simple answer, every single group that you can name which does not fall within the specific nine groups listed in the bill. All those other groups are excluded. The Kiwanis club, red heads, lefties, Nazis, your vampire book club, Gator Football team, FSU clowns, your fat sister-in-law, people with halitosis, veterans, people with 3 nipples, the dudes who dress like nuns, teachers, …..

do you need me to keep going or have I made my point? All of the above are excluded from the law. Your man friends could go beat the crap out of a teacher because your group, “Teachers Suck” actually despise rulers and glue….and that can’t be charged as a crime under this bill. The teacher gets stuck with battery charges as her only recourse. How does that make you feel?

 

Actually, every single people on this forum is covered by this bill if a hate crime were committed against them. That's what this is. A hate crime bill. What are you arguing is the bill should include things that are not hate crimes ... like if a red head gets in a fight? Or someone shoots up a Kiwanis club? But be assured, if for some reason that Kiwanis club shooting was motivated by hate for old men, that would be covered. I'm just not aware of any active groups that hate and target teachers and vampire book clubs the same way that right wingers target gays, Muslims, jews, etc ... but if anti "fat sister-in-law" groups ever become a thing, I would support adding that to the list.

And, no you haven't made a point ... yet. Keep trying.

I mean, what you are basically doing here is saying that all versions of a crime should be equal ... a red-head getting into a fist fight over a parking spot is the same as black person getting beat-up by the KKK ... the same as arguing that Trump stealing classified documents is the same crime as stealing a candy bar from a 7-11.

 

Prostitutes have been targeted for being prostitutes.

 

Do you want to make criminal a protected class? Abortion Doctors have also been targeted ... they are not on the list.