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SCOTUS kills Biden's student loan/debt relief plan...

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorGrowl, Jun 30, 2023.

  1. l_boy

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    So can scotus declare laws passed by congress unconstitutional?

    Would not laws that effectively preempt the functions of specific branches of government be considered unconstitutional?

    Seems like you risk what Putin has done with whatever Democracy Russia briefly had. Congress passes laws I give power to their preferred autocrat effectively neutering political opposition.
     
  2. gator_lawyer

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    Yes.

    If Congress tried to give the judiciary's powers to the Executive, it would violate separation of powers. But it is not unconstitutional for Congress to delegate authority to the Executive to implement Congress's policy. Congress can delegate extraordinarily broad authority to the Executive. The one thing it can't do is delegate the making of laws. Only Congress can do that.

    Well, we have the ability to vote out that Congress and that President. If they were to pass laws that stripped away our right to vote and ended elections, that would obviously violate our rights. Of course, at that point, we'd be in a full-blown constitutional crisis.
     
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  3. PerSeGator

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    From what I understand, the source of Putin's (and Xi's) autocratic powers are more de facto than spelled out in law. In that, they don't officially have the power to do whatever they want; but the reality is if you vote the wrong way, you'll be disappeared. It's hard to compare those systems to ours.
     
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  4. PerSeGator

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    Also worth pointing out that Congress's delegations of authority are not just to the president. There are dozens of independent agencies that exist outside the control of the president and wield pretty incredible power, e.g., the Fed.
     
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  5. Gator715

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    I thought we weren't allowed to blame other people for our reactions to institutional overreach? We were supposed to take responsibility for our actions and our behaviors.

    Now all of a sudden, because YOU think the game is rigged, you're warning us that there will be retaliation, in this case, with our institutions and people simply not respecting the rule of law.

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  6. okeechobee

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    This is a lie. The executive is to be checked by the legislature and the SCOTUS. Legislature already checked the executive and said no go. Now SCOTUS has checked executive, no go. There is nothing in the Constitution that says we wait until the next election. The Congress and the SCOTUS are there specifically for this purpose. It is quite alarming that you are wanting to vest power in one person, versus 545 persons. That's the beauty of the U.S. Constitution. If a law is not good enough to pass all three branches of government, it doesn't get implemented. Basic democracy. What you're calling for is an autocracy, which is rich, considering how you painted Trump.

    Whatever it is that you are drinking, stop drinking it.
     
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  7. AndyGator

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    That's laughable. 5 trillion to covid alone? Not to mention Trump ignoring the oncoming Covid pandemic for like 5 months before lifting a finger to address it, ensuring maximal damage. Those were the critical months that could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

    But the point here is the mythical generalization that Democrats spend others money while Republicans are fiscally responsible, while in fact Republicans are actually slightly worse. A little honesty would be nice. ;)
     
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  8. gatorpa

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    Just go look at how much covid relief, fiscal stimulus added to the debt.

    Not sure when on earth you get Trump ignoring covid for “5 months”.
    It was the end of Jan of 2020 when it started cropping up. It was Feb 21 of 2020 that the travel ban from areas affected was put into place. Hardly doing nothing and not even close to 5 months.
    You also seem to ignore more died under Biden with the vaccine created under Trump than died while “Trump was doing nothing” and had no vaccine.

    Ignoring the covid pandemic on the debt is as bad as ignoring the spike in UE and drop in GDP due to the pandemic and then praising Biden for the rebound.
    Talk about looking for honesty….
     
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  9. gatorchamps960608

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    This SCOTUS has become an unelected and uncheckable shadow government of its own. As currently operating, it must be destroyed.
     
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  10. AndyGator

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    He had intelligence way earlier that he ignored. But keep your head in the sand. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. UFLawyer

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    Send your resume to the DNC. They are currently looking for congressional candidates.
     
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  14. ridgetop

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    Wow
    Left wing wackos calling for violence against the scotus… hmmm
    :)
     
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  15. BigCypressGator1981

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    Dude Trump lied to everyone’s face about the severity of covid. Repeatedly. Said it would just go away by Easter of 2020. I know you know this. That downplaying had severe consequences.
     
  16. BigCypressGator1981

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    Plenty of ways to destroy something without using violence. Don’t put words in his mouth.
     
  17. ridgetop

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    If words equal violence… and according to the left they do .. then I do t see how you destroy THIS Scotus without violence. Stop the spin.
     
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  18. BigCypressGator1981

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    Words are violence? LOL! Who said that? And I’m the one spinning? Lmao
     
  19. l_boy

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  20. gatorpa

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    Oh yeah, intelligence that no other country had or acted upon.

    You just keep making shit up to assert your nonsense
     
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