Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

1. The burden of proof is not on me to suggest that the primary reason for such disparities is not racist, it's on the people claiming that it is to prove that it is.
2. Every free multiracial society in the world has all sorts of racial disparities. So that would mean either 1) All multiracial societies pick (and have always picked) winners and losers on the basis of race or 2) disparities are normal and are not intrinsic evidence of racism.

 

What's the end game for you?

At what point will Black people no longer be tethered by the evils of our country's past? How would that society look?

 

It'll never happen with people like you walking around. You and your ilk are why affirmative action existed in the first place.

 

You're using 2-3 anecdotal cases to explain the norm. Those are important, but we have a Hell of a lot more data regarding racial crime statistics.

So you would agree that the vast majority of Black people who are arrested on the basis of violent crimes like that are guilty of such crimes.

So what do you think is the answer for that? Finding more White murderers and locking them up or letting more Black murderers off the hook?

 

There are black families who do quite well in America right? These black families share the same values that most do who succeed in life.
Lots of whites and Hispanics also have unhealthy family culture and it leads them to crime.
Racism is a cop out, liberal ideal that chooses to excuse undesirable behaviors.

 

The answer would be to quit targeting black people for arrest.

 

No guarantees in life. The sooner kids learn that, the better. Same goes for parents.

 

2 steps forward 1 step back. The fight isn’t over. Admissions is hard to legislate because legislators usually don’t understand the work. Most Admissions people will keep finding ways to admit diverse classes in a “fair” way.

 

Yes, I'd agree.

the answer to what?

 

1. Many laws regarding crack cocaine were pushed by Black legislators in inner cities because they saw how crack was damaging the community. Crack is more easily distributable and more effective than powder cocaine. Crystal Meth is disproportionately used by White folks yet the penalty for one ounce of Crystal Meth and Crack Cocaine are identical.

2. Crime-ridden communities draw more policing (as they should), if a community has more policing, there is a greater likelihood of being caught or arrested over trivial crimes.

3. The criminal justice system is not an exact science. A point that leftists point out that happens to have a lot of truth to it is that the criminal justice system is different for the rich when compared to the poor. If Black people disproportionately have less money, they are more likely to get worse sentencing due to worse legal representation.

4. There are also disparities based on names over the same qualifications. You can find disparities pretty much everywhere. Does race play a factor? Sure. But it's a small factor. Correlation does not equal causation. I think redlining is illegal and should be illegal, and if you want to take on banks and insurance companies over racial discrimination have at it, and I think a much stronger case can be made there than in the criminal justice system even though I don't think this is so rampant Black people lack the necessary opportunity to be successful.

5. Finally and most importantly, no two groups will ever be identical in outcome. I'm sure even if you only had a pool of White people in sentencing for a felony conviction, there would be disparities based on eye color and hair color. I can reasonably make that assumption because two identical twins in the same household will inevitably experience some degree of disparate treatment by the parents because human beings are messy and life is messy and people make different choices.

 

A distinction without a difference. You should be focusing on the abolition of the filibuster for judges in general, not just limited to the Supreme Court. Once the dems opened that door, it was only a matter of time before the Dems or Pubs walked SCOTUS between that door.

 

If it's a problem that we have racially disparate outcomes, but the vast majority of the Black people incarcerated actually committed the crime, is the solution letting more Black murderers off the hook or locking up more White murderers?

 

No.
It's trying to make sure the poorer communities in this country see more positive choice and outcomes.

 

I really like that, but at the end of the day people have to make their own choices.

The price of living in a free country is high and one of the costs is people reaping the consequences for their own bad choices.

 

It’s gonna take a huge effort to change family culture my friend.
No amount of government assistance is going to do that imo.

 

lock every murder up. Race is irrelevant

 

It's a distinction with a real difference. The decisions of the Supreme Court are FINAL. The decisions of lower federal courts are not, they are appealable. Given that very real difference the barrier to confirmation of nominees for the Supreme Court should higher. While the filibuster has been used very infrequently historically there has been a consensus with the vast majority of Supreme Court nominees being confirmed by bipartisan majorities. The elimination of even the possibility of the filibuster has opened the door to the nomination of ideologues and Trump and the Federalist Society to which he has delegated the selection of nominees has walked right through that wide open door.

 

Like I said. Charged and arrested. That doesn’t mean that crimes are not committed by others. Regardless, there is more to the story than race. It is greatly affected by socioeconomic factors, of which the way in which black people were brought here and successively treated that plays a big role in this.

 

I think you're overstating the role and you're misreading the solution.

No amount of welfare programs or money will fix the problem. Choices, culture, and behavioral problems are the root of the problem, not money.

The former three lead to money problems so you need to fix the former three before you even consider money as the solution. And ironically, I predict fixing the former three will just naturally result in more money.

 

Bullshit. Distorted narrative of white wingers.

The non violent rate of overall crime for black Americans is 29% which is about 2.2Xs the population rate for black Americans. The violent crime rate is 35% or 2.7X.s the black population. The child poverty rate is 35.5% or 2.8Xs the black population. Then when you add on the higher incarceration rates for the same crimes, longer terms for the same crimes, and $23B less in educational spending you end up with a bleak picture for adult black Americans.

But as smart white folks think… the impoverished children in worse funded schools should make better and whiter decisions so they can end up successful. Give me a break.

Crime rates
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

Child poverty
Childstats.gov - America's Children: Key National Indicators of Well-Being, 2021 - Child Poverty and Income Distribution.

School funding is less for black school districts by $23B
https://www.usnews.com/news/educati...re-k-12-funding-than-students-of-color-report