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Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorGrowl, Jun 29, 2023.

  1. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    Maybe instead of affirmative action we put hundreds of billons of dollars in money and resources into minority student schools until the levels rise to get them into colleges proportionally? Nah, lets just repeal AA and and ignore the problem for another 100 years. Texas has banned affirmative action and has 4.5% of students at UT black with 11% of the population. California's most selective schools which ban AA are eerily similar at 4.5%. UF where AA is banned also 4.5%. UNC and UVA which do consider... 8.5% or double.

    CA, TX, and FL have had decades of banning race based admissions and have made zero progress balancing the educational gap for it's black citizens. The ruling was cruel and punitive for citizens that are not receiving an equitable education from the state because of the color of their skin.

    AA does not admit unqualified students.

    Affirmative Action Statistics in College Admissions | BestColleges

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  2. tampagtr

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    As detected and presented by the state, according to rules and norms established by the predominant power of the state.
     
  3. VAg8r1

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    Since you made that statement please explain.
     
  4. VAg8r1

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    Here's a prime example of the way that the parties have shifted with respect to civil rights. I would also add that from the late '40s through the '70s and early '80s there were effectively three political parties in the United States, the national Democratic Party, the Republican Party and the Southern Democratic party (the Dixiecrats). The Republican Party has gradually incorporated the Dixiecrats to the point where they now dominate the party as evidenced by the party's opposition to voting rights legislation.
    Republicans Block a Second Voting Rights Bill in the Senate (Published 2021)
     
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  5. rivergator

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    This should be interesting
     
  6. Gator715

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    Must be racism. Can't possibly be anything else.

    Frankly, I don't even know how you make a math or reading comp test "racist."
     
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  7. Gator715

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    Yes I disagree, because it's almost impossible to prove something isn't racist by leftist standards. If we are supposed to infer "racism" on the mere basis of inequity that inference is non rebuttable.
     
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  8. murphree_hall

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    Do black people really commit more crimes, or are they policed and arrested more? A lot of crimes go unpunished.
     
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  9. PerSeGator

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    Do inequities need to arise from racism to be worth addressing?
     
  10. citygator

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    Good article published today addressing right wing race baiting talking points. Three random paragraphs.

    Detester Magazine
    Deconstructing The "13/50" Argument

    Furthermore, when referring to all known crime—again, according to this same source—black people account for just 26.6 percent of arrests made, this number being nowhere near 50 (Table 43)

    There is an astounding 23 billion dollar gap in funding between predominantly black and Latino school districts and predominantly white school districts (Lombardo). This is due to the fact that schools are largely funded by taxes collected within the school’s community, and African Americans are at a much higher risk of being low income due to historical oppression (McIntosh). Unfortunately, frequently is this a never-ending cycle, as it is hard to increase regional income levels if schools are underfunded, and it is much harder to fund schools if a community is already low income. This means that many black students receive sub-par education—fewer teachers and fewer resources —therefore leading to fewer and lower quality job opportunities and directly contributing to the poverty risk.

    Therefore, not only are African Americans over-incarcerated, but we are over-sentenced and over-convicted as well. Rather than offering any solutions to the aforementioned issues, the “13/50” argument simply insinuates that violence is somehow inherent to blackness, which could not be any further from the truth. If those who employed this argument truly cared about decreasing the incidence of crime within the black community, they would advocate for the reconstruction of the United States’ criminal justice system and push for more federal funding in schools. Nonetheless, they do not. They simply regurgitate the same, foolish talking point in an often deliberate attempt at maintaining and advancing white supremacy.
     
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  11. Gator715

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    Yes, inequity in itself is not necessarily a problem.
     
  12. Gator715

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    Black people commit 53% of murder, 29% of rape, 55% of robberies, 33% of aggravated assaults, 29% of burglaries, 28% of larcenies, 31% of motor vehicle thefts, 23% of arson, 38% of all violent crime, and 28% of property crime despite accounting for 13% of the population, and despite the fact that the vast majority of these are likely committed by Black men which is a much smaller share in the population.

    Table 21

    And that's without getting into gang violence which is vastly disproportionately committed by Black and Hispanic men.
     
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  13. akaijenkins1

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    It is when there is, has always been and continues to be systemic and at times coordinated and intentionally punitive causes for that inequity.
     
  14. Gator715

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    It depends on the basis for inequity.

    Convicted felons getting disparate treatment isn't a problem yet that is a punitive and systemic cause for inequity.
     
  15. citygator

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    And we knew it was coming.
     
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  16. Gator715

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    It takes incredible stupidity to think that an effective way of stopping crime is by pretending the crime isn't happening.

    And it takes incredible dishonesty to suggest that you only care about crime in the Black community if you agree with citygator on education policy. Last I checked you don't agree with school vouchers, I could just as easily say that you think parents are too stupid to make their own decisions regarding the education of their child, which would frankly be much closer to the truth.
     
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  17. PerSeGator

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    That’s a rather privileged take, but you do you. Most disagree.
     
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  18. citygator

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    It takes incredible stupidity to make up strawman arguments.

    And I have no doubt that you care enough about black crime to lecture the community on culture and personal responsibility. You should be sainted.
     
  19. PerSeGator

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    Why is this the case?
     
  20. Gator715

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    Not if they know what equity means.

    Equity means you split a random room of a 100 people down the middle then take averages on a number of things that they do... all of the averages in the end will match or closely resemble each other when that is far from the truth.
     
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