SCOTUS kills Biden's student loan/debt relief plan...

Sorry, ant, I don’t get your point. Help a brother out.

 

Yes, the Administration claimed that COVID-19, which ended sometime in 2021, was said crisis. Fine. Subject to judicial review. Said judicial review did not go the way of the Administration. Also fine. Pass a law.

 

The Court's reasoning had nothing to do with the genuineness of the COVID emergency, which was undisputed.

What happened is Congress passed a law. The Court made a policy judgment that it did not like the result commanded by the plain text of that law, and so invalidated it. Suggesting that Congress simply pass another law is an incoherent response.

 

No you didnt. The debt being forgiven wasn't for everyone. Your thinking is it's for those making more when in fact it'd be for those making about the same or less than those without a college degree.

I'm not for it for everyone, but it's more plausible for those at the lower end who most likely got taken advantage of by predatory loans when they never should have taken one out.

 

But then they'll just find a way to deny that law. We know how it works. Both sides do it sadly by interpreting it their way.

 

Fine. Try another imperial fiat, using some laughably weak loophole in an existing law. It will be overturned on the same rationale, and you’ll be right back here whining about an “illegitimate Court” et al.

Or pass a law with bipartisan support that not only forgives the debt but also mitigates the problem from manifesting again. It won’t be naked vote buying that benefits your party and only your party, but we might end up better as a whole country for it.

Hope that was more “coherent.” I don’t think I can break down the concept any more simply.

 

Well, prove it. It’s your best shot if you really think this benefits the country and not just the Democrats.

 

"Imperial fiat" and "loop holes" are strange ways to describe authority explicitly granted by Congress via the bipartisan process you claim to want. Via a nearly unanimous vote, in fact.

The truth is, you and other Republicans were and are happy to give the executive broad discretion when one of your own was in office. Now that it's a Democrat, all of a sudden it's the imperial presidency run amok. As if your wars, walls, immigrant bans, and everything in between were somehow bipartisan accomplishments.

No. Let's be real. You all invented the unitary executive theory and have spent the better part of 50 years empowering and enabling the president to take significant, unilateral actions. You've used those powers, repeatedly, to advance your policy goals. Yet immediately upon losing the presidency, every time you predictably revert to the same tired rhetoric that, in substance, says the new president can't do any of the stuff that the old president did because reasons.

That's not the way this works. People pay attention. They're not dumb. They understand that when a court, appointed by Republicans, consistently blocks Democratic policies while ensuring the implementation of Republican ones, balls and strikes aren't what is occurring.

Breaking norms and abusing our all-too-abusable system might seem like a win in the short term. But it's just an illusion. The foundation is cracked, and it's just a matter of time before it gives way.

 

I think he’s just saying totally different era. Both in competitiveness of schools AND cost of attendance. Although UF is still pretty low cost of attendance, it should still be doable for a FL resident without accruing too much debt or even debt free. Graduate school is where it’s harder to avoid unless taking on loans or getting help from family.

Still, I don’t think “state U” is the main driver of debt issues. So that’s as relevant today as it was in the 80’s or 90’s. Lesser quality (but hella expensive) private schools are more of a problem in terms of ROI. A disservice to so many to rack up 6 figures in loans. Then you have the even shadier unaccredited for profit schools that operate almost as diploma mills. They should be ineligible for student loans or federal dollars of any kind. I wouldn’t go that far for private schools, but schools graduating debt saddled students with high default rates should be publicly shamed.

 

The statute doesn't limit the power to waive the obligation permanently.

 

If it were up to me, there would be a massive cut in both of those. Get the government out of our lives. Cut waste across the board. Cut regulations across the board. Cut bureaucracy at every level. Restore individual freedom.

 

Nailed it! “Loan forgiveness” is a combination of government bribery and theft. Why anyone would demand the plumber pay for a stranger’s degree in women’s studies is mind boggling. I dare any of you proponents of this to find a plumber, look him in the eye and demand that of them. Report back to us. This idea is step up dumber than reparations….but brought to by the same political party.

 

Sorry man. I'm being a bit snarky. Costs of living and going to college are worlds apart from when it seems you went. My parents first house in 1987 was purchased for around 80k. That house today will go for over 500k where it's at. He was able to raise a family of 4 kids with a very modest middle class income and a stay at home wife. We as kids managed to avoid most college debt although one sister dlwas saddled with 100k of loan debt after optometry school late 90s.

Side note to that. She worked Two jobs over summer in order to combine savings with a Pell grant and got denied because she earned too much. Meanwhile a family friend that owned several businesses, luxury cars and had 1 daughter at stetson already was alotted the full amount. She actually had my sister assist her with her financial aid paperwork so she witnessed first hand.

 

Moved to the funny thread

 

Funny enough to post it in 2 threads

 

Yeah after I posted it here I thought it belonged over there more. But maybe I should let it linger a bit more for the people who don't look in the funny thread.

 

The Obama’s are obviously uppity blacks. How dare they have an opinion on the lower classes.

 

That’s weird. I think I just read that the nation’s highest court with responsibility for interpreting the law ruled that it does.

 

Thx for the reply. I get it. Times are different. But I’m coming from my perspective which is having grown up in a family of five in a 10’x50’ trailer, wore hand me downs as the oldest kid, had to collect aluminum cans on the side of the road for a year to pay for a new bicycle, and had no family member ever to have gone to college. We brought furniture home from the base dump that was better than what we had (did the same thing with dumpsters in school). Nothing was ever handed to me, I had to struggle the whole way through. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining. Hell, I might be bragging because after a 35 year professional career I will never have such circumstances again to worry about. Unfortunately, my kids will never understand that level of humble day to day existence. So my solution was to work, share a two bdrm apartment with three to five others (we had couch dwellers, too), eat ramen and cucumber sandwiches when I wasn’t working in a restaurant, get small Pell grants, have no frills other than $1.79 a six pack beer, and get grades good enough to graduate but not be able to brag about. It comes down to decisions and consequences. I made decent decisions out of necessity and had decent results. What is different today is more coddling of and instant gratification expected by our youth. Again, just IMHO. And I get that medical fields can be stupid competitive, but there are other great professional fields that still have high demand and high wages. Choices, choices, choices.