Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

Do you see this judicial ruling positively impacting African American communities? I sure as shit don’t.


SHITHOLE COUNTRY

 

Why are those the only choices. This is college…how about merit. If you think you are going to put a dent in poverty by admitting an unqualified person into college where most will fail, because they are unqualified, then you are a fool. The trick is to make them qualified by giving everyone a great education from K-12. It’s too late if you wait until college. We, as a country, need to make education a priority. Not talking points, but a priority. Our current system does not work. Times have changed. We need to completely gut the current system and reimagine everything.

 

Why choose?

Maybe both matter at some level.

My point is that if a state has like 30% or 40% AA population, but single digit college enrollment. That seems anything but “colorblind”, and that’s with affirmative action hypothetically boosting minority enrollments by a few points. How could that happen if we’ve reached this fantastical post-racial utopia? In a colorblind society, you would not see such obvious racial discrepancies. You would just naturally see college enrollments pretty much line up with population demographics.

 

Trump says when you go through life looking in the rear view mirror you are unable to see the road ahead. You are owed nothing from me because someone you never met 200 years ago was wronged by someone who was not me. Get over it and stop with the excuses.

 

Exclusion proponent right here . . . and it ain't my shit or my scale.

 

I want a colorblind society as well, but I must say it is quite amazing how Asian-American parents keep their kids off the streets, teach them to speak English correctly, teach them critical thinking skills, etc. I reckon Asian-Americans didn't sit around and wait for the government to do it for them.

 

The recent influx of Asian-Americans are mostly rich kids, not people who grew up “on the streets” in either China or the U.S. These are by and large, wealthy Chinese and Koreans.

There probably is a some aspect of cultural discipline though as well.

 

Speaking of critical thinking . . . and since you're generalizing here. Take a sec and consider the circumstances under which most Asian Americans immigrated to the U.S. w/in the last 40 yrs. How many were attracted to the U.S. for academic opportunities? Now compare that with nearly any other demographic in the U.S., including white U.S. citizens (notable omission here).

My wife is Asian-American. Like many others, she kicks ass because she worked extraordinarily hard. Not just grad degrees, but earning them in a second language she only marginally knew upon arrival. Then again, her father is a retired Dentist and current pharmacist, her mother is a retired professor, sister is a Ph.D. in biochem and brother is an electrical engineer (master's). Are they the exception? Yeah, but only kinda.

 

My message exactly, said differently

 

Yes, I'm well aware many Asian-Americans immigrated here against rigid odds, learning new language and culture just to survive and have prospered mightily. Yep, you don't have to trumpet-splain it to me. I'm well aware. It's truly baffling though, isn't it? People who actually have a drive to want to better themselves and realize their full potential as humans. I wonder where that drive came from. Was it innate? Or was it instilled in them from an early age?

 

What we really want is to be able to pick and choose what things we want everyone to have equal access to

 

In Florida we welcome these wealthy Asians and their families, we want their best and brightest here, just let them know - don’t try to buy any real estate. Because we’re colorblind… or something.

Florida Really Just Banned Chinese Immigrants from Owning Property. We're Suing

 

Yup. See above.

Same sorts championing “real estate bans” and the striking of affirmative action. Seems a tad… hypocritical. How could one possibly take both seemingly opposing positions on race/nationality and call themselves conservative? Answer: lower class white males love protectionism when they are the (perceived) beneficiary.

 

Yes, I know you really want to not talk about how foreign immigrants who don't speak the native tongue are still scoring 100 points higher on their SAT when our DEI class told us standardized testing is culturally biased. I reckon the SAT is only culturally biased up to a certain level of income, huh? See if you can move the goal posts again.

 

Like some have said, these colleges an universities will just use poverty as their new marker... because somehow you can't discriminate against children whose parents are not poor...

 

If there's a positive that may come out of it, it's forcing these elite universities to actually embrace socioeconomic diversity.

Let's be honest, none of these people actually believe that affirmative action was constitutional at any point. They'll spew some crap about it. But if it was constitutional in the past, they'd have to offer some statistical evidence as to why it's unwarranted now. And the data doesn't remotely support it.

Yes. The framers of the Fourteenth Amendment created the Equal Protection Clause to promote genuine equality, not colorblindness. To achieve genuine equality, they recognized that we needed to engage in race-conscious remedial measures to alleviate the harms we had invited upon certain groups. That is why they passed that sort of legislation around the same time they enacted the Equal Protection Clause.

Yes. But that's a policy decision. And we should take both into account. Socioeconomic status should carry heavy weight.

 

Your racist "black people are too stupid to compete on a level field, and therefore need your white libby hand to help em" tribalism, vs *MY* (???) PRINCIPLE of EQUAL TREATMENT regardless of race???

NB: this ruling literally has an adverse impact on my kids.

...and I support it. I welcome it. My kids will negotiate the terrain as they find it, and do just fine.

....as will so many black kids, who may now proceed forth to and through college, without the shit stain of your [self] helping hand, to ever linger over their accomplishments.

We don't need your pity, nor your charity.

Equal OPPORTUNITY will do just fine.