Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

Ok, that will happen when the right-wing ones acknowledge a color-blind constitution/society is not something they support, so dont hold your breath

 

Every rule has exceptions. It's the job of the Supreme Court to draw lines. The Supreme Court often speaks in general terms.

You'd think a Justice on the Supreme Court would understand this, but apparently she doesn't, or she's grandstanding because she's upset.

 

I'm just saying that if the school doesn't tell you how they arrive there, you are making a lot of assumptions as to why anyone was denied.

 

Supreme Court justices sure arent known for angry dissents, never happens, amazing that this is the first time in all these years

 

Interesting that the average Asian-American applicant to Harvard has an SAT of almost 100 points higher than the average African-American applicant. That's a system that is being abused.

 

All of the justices agree strict scrutiny applies. They disagree on whether the programs at issue satisfy that standard.

 

For most of these schools, the primary beneficiary of affirmative action has been white women.

It's ok though because SCOTUS said that discrimination on behalf of legacy factors is still ok for Skippy Howell the third and his d-bag rich kid buddies.

 

I agree with the Supreme Court ruling so I’m not sure what you are arguing about. I don’t view people as part of a group and don’t think college admissions should try to balance the races. I was just answering a specific question about whether I think most people are denied because of their race.

 

“With let-them-eat-cake obliviousness, today, the majority pulls the ripcord and announces ‘colorblindness for all’ by legal fiat,” Jackson wrote.

I wonder what her working relationships are like there or how they will be in the near future.

 

Sotomayor is notorious for it. She compared Trump's travel ban to Korematsu.

Most generally do so in this academic passive aggressive way, with the occasional fireworks. It seems like she does this with every major decision that doesn't go her way.

 

Can’t they get around this by limiting applicants in certain zip codes? I have a buddy whose kids go to Plant in Tampa and he said that’s what UF does. Not sure if true….

 

The schools agree that they use race as a criteria. Their argument is that they should be able to do that, not that it isn't happening.

 

The best part about that line is that she is a Black woman born in 1970 acting like the majority opinion "doesn't understand," when one of the Justices in the majority is Black and literally lived through Jim Crow.

The arrogance in that is just astounding. And honestly I don't have any issue with her personally. That attitude is typical for somebody with her academic background and political leanings, but it's truly unbelievable.

 

"However, most who didn’t make it in wouldn’t have regardless of their race." -kygator

Pretty clear in the previous post of yours I quoted that you were being dismissive about the ones who were denied, because most of the time, they would have been denied anyway. "Most of the time" doesn't cut it, unless you view humans as a statistic, rather than as individuals. That would be like me saying "well, the vast majority of people don't die from Covid, so you shouldn't worry about the ones who do."

 

Well English was her second language so yeah the verbal logic made no sense to her

 

That's fair and that's a good discussion.

 

This is what gets me about these discussions. The idea that "merit" is determined by minor differences on some arbitrary and flawed standardized test is so absurd. But if this pushes Harvard and other elite schools to use socioeconomic status to try and build diverse classes, great. They'll find other proxies to get what they want.

 

Here are some statistics from Harvard:

An African American student in the 40th percentile of their academic index (a metric created by Harvard based on test scores and GPA) is more likely to get it than an Asian student in the 100th percentile.

African American students in the 50th percentile are more likely to get in that white students in the 100% percentile.

 

No. He said "give me the best qualified person who is most likely to succeed". I offered the analogy that the same race ran under different circumstances could produce a slower time and a more impressive feat. That's why schools look at more than GPA and test scores which only Neanderthals think should be the measuring stick.

What cracks me up is the same people drawing voting precincts around only skin color are complaining about admissions of people where skin color is a piece of what is considered.

 

True enough, although no system fully accounts for that. Even with race conscious admissions, you're going to need very high test scores, grades, and extra curriculars to get into Harvard. That rarely happens without a lot of family support and resources.

Affirmative action maybe shifts away some well off Asian/White kids in favor of well off Black/Hispanic kids, but not much beyond that--less than 5% of students there come from a bottom quintile income bracket. A super majority are top quintile.