Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

I have some mixed feelings about much of this, but the United States wasn't around for thousands of years. We could arguably tailor the time frame to include what America itself had a hand in - from slavery to Jim Crow laws, which put Black Americans at unique generational disadvantages in terms of income, wealth, and educational opportunities. Seems like prior sex-based discrimination and lack of support for girls and women were a basis to support affirmative action in education and sports programs, as examples.

 

I was just talking about this country. So lets call it 1776-1865. I think 89 years is fair for affirmative action.

 

In terms of impact, this case will have not a significant one. Universities will use other things as proxies to attain the diverse classes they want. In terms of displaying that the Republicans on SCOTUS do not adhere to their claimed ideologies when it conflicts with their policy goals, this case provides yet another strong example of them ignoring "originalism" if it doesn't promote right-wing outcomes.

 

Not a good example. There are laws against disability-based discrimination for college admissions.

 

I'm talking about the US.

 

Didn't you read? The Freedman's Bureau wasn't race based! Who knew? So much of my understanding of history is wrong. The Ghost of Thad told me he is upset.

 

BTW, I'm friendly with one of the scholars Thomas cited for that proposition, and he's not happy about it. He actually helped author an amicus brief arguing very much the opposite in this case. But hey, if there's something Clarence does well, it's brazenly lie about history when the real history doesn't support his arguments.

 

Perhaps for discipline-specific and performance-based tests, but not for standardized tests, which measure little more than test-taking ability.

 

Wow! I would love to hear stories.

But not the first time he has done that.

I actually feel I understand him better after Slow Burn. He was a very smart guy, qualified and able. At the same time, much in the way it usually works, AA didn't elevate anyone unqualified, it just helped him among many similarly qualified individuals because of other goals in the organization. Nothing to be ashamed of; no way to say he didn't deserve anything he got (other than poor people skills in the 80s). But he's so resentful.

 

Welcome to reality. Fair ain't equal.

 

Everybody can get an education. This is more about who gets what.

 

What white kid is missing out on an education because he can't go to Harvard or UNC? What that white kid might miss out on is going to the school he wants to go to, but he is more than capable of getting a fine education elsewhere.

 

ding, ding, ding . . . winner. Lots of folks will only see the surface issue and think it's about admissions to all colleges. Not so

 

That’s not my assumption. You were responding to a statement that admitting someone because of their race would therefore be discriminating against someone else because of theirs. That’s obviously correct.

 

They don't, if only white people applied to Harvard they wouldn't be involved in a lawsuit. HBCUs dont really have a problem because top tier white or non-black students arent trying to get into Howard in any numbers. The one thing any college cant control is the applicant pool.

 

That little quote might have some force to it if the Republicans on SCOTUS were actually dedicated to eradicating racial discrimination. They're not. They're happy to ignore it and even enable it when it suits them. I might be able to respect this ruling if these right-wingers were all about putting a stop to discrimination, but they have spent decades weakening laws that protect against discrimination (ex. Voting Rights Act) and the Equal Protection Clause with regard to de facto racial discrimination.

So apparently, the way to stop "discrimination on the basis of race" is to prevent the government from doing anything to help the people harmed by it.

The people who wrote the Fourteenth Amendment sure didn't think so.

 

That's fair. Now please answer this. Why do HBCUs exist?

 

I was confusing you with the person who I originally responded to, so forgive my assumption bit. But I dont know how that's obviously correct. Like I said, you can forget the analogy if you dont like it. Can you explain to me how this works in practical purposes? Is every spot at Harvard a head to head between people on racial terms?

 

Shoot...it exists today. It is wrong. We know that. But some will use it to agitate instead of try to end it.

 

If you dont want to abolish prisons and the carceral state, you are pro-slavery. Read your Constitution.