Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

lol don't ever lose that victim mentality you poor, picked upon white man.

 

I don’t think so. However, diversity is itself another question. I think a quality university education requires a level of diversity - diversity in thought, diversity in ideals, diversity in background and diversity in beliefs. Diversity mandates a challenge to one’s ingrained beliefs and opens a passageway to new thoughts and ideas. It promotes growth.

I think the challenge to maintain diversity in campuses is one big concern I have with a swift shear of affirmative action from university admissions, as opposed to a stepped, timed conclusion.

 

At least if they feel good about a court win, they are less likely to shoot up an elementary school

 

Love ya GH, but I dont see it this way. Do you think race should be a factor in choosing who gets an education?

Do you think on white kid should miss out simply because he is white?

I know this is a complex issue, but AA doesnt seem like the fair solution. It seemed like the "quick fix".

The real solution starts in homes, neighborhoods and schools and is not a quick fix.

Sadly.

 

How long did slavery last? 300+ years? That seems fair to me.

 

Ultimately what we are arguing is about admissions to elite schools and what "the ruling class" in America gets to comprise of, what sort of backgrounds they might come from and such. All these schools have long standing "affirmative action" programs in that they show preference to legacies, rich donors, people who can bring them athletics prestige, etc. This was just another one to achieve some kind of demographic balance of sorts. The idea that these schools have ever been or ever will be meritocratic is ridiculous, mainly because as I mentioned earlier, merit is such a vague and malleable term. Not to mention that the wealthy aren't about to give up the things that give their children entry to the elite. Harvard has enough endowment money to admit hundreds of thousands of people a year who would qualify academically of all backgrounds, they limit their spots to keep their "elite" status. What use would people have for Harvard if everyone who was qualified got in? So, that's what this fight is over. In terms of just going to college, most colleges admit whoever applies and meets the requirements of going to college. People lauding equality on whatever side of this argument they are on are missing that in a world where a Harvard exists, equality doesn't.

 

I think in his analogy both people were carrying weights though... Right?

 

That's about as good faith of an argument as just demanding that the poorest and the minorities who check the most boxes should get first dibs on college admissions without considering anything else.

 

Not my area of expertise, but it might disadvantage underrepresented populations.

 

I mean its no ones spot, until it is, but using race to determine the winner screams unconstitutional.

Not sure what the solution is outside of my post above, but using race isnt it.

 

Why does state pop matter for a global entity?

 

Over 3000 years, unless you think all of the slavery that happened before 1619 “doesn’t count.”

 

Then according to the ruling, should HBCUs cease to be as such?

 

Absurd! Here is a picture I found on the web of the Harvard class of 1880, on the 25th reunion. You can see the merit! It's visibly obvious! Quit your social engineering for inferior applicants.

As further proof of their merit, I bet they went on to great wealth and, most significantly, their great grandchildren are also predominantly Ivy. Obviously superior genes.

Just accept your place. Makes things so much easier.

 

Now do race based chattel slavery

 

In the US. Globally at least thousands of years.

 

Good question. Easy argument that test scores are indeed vague; some suggest that they promote racial inequities. GPA, otoh, is known to be a good predictor of success in higher ed.

 

I mean, slavery existed seemingly since the beginning of time, and my study of history has shown there was no affirmative action for long-term historical slaves. Still, I get your point, and I’m not suggesting that everyone is treated equally in this country. I can say definitively that my kids lost spots in other universities due to their inability to check certain boxes, and despite that, I was not an angry guy demanding an end to affirmative action. But I do think, at some point, it needs to come to a conclusion. And I think it is terribly disruptive to swiftly end it, rather than time it out through a rational stepped approach.

 

If they're public I would think they can't discriminate on race.

 

Do you think that for all such programs? Have we reached the point in society where if your dad went to a college its not a positive for the kid in admissions? Or being good at basketball means a school will overlook average grades and test scores?