Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

See also, the final season of Never Have I Ever...

 

No. They just might get away with it.

But discrimination is discrimination. Hard to prove, but you don't have to necessarily come out and say you're doing it to be doing it.

 

Found it interesting that the military filed amicus briefs for retaining AA.

edit: I see you touched on it with the likely reason.

 

Military Academies were exempted because of some "special considerations" or something like that that Roberts used. It's in a FN

 

Admissions at large universities have a lot of people involved. Harvard, for instance, has a 40-person committee. It would be very difficult to coordinate secret bonuses for unrepresented minority applicants with that many people. There may still be individual decision makers that favor particular races, as there always have been, but that's not something the Courts can really address.

 

The military follows orders. If the Secretary of Defense ordered the military to file an amicus, then it would.

 

I'm honestly not a huge fan of that either, but I'd be incredibly obtuse to suggest a person with money and a great support system around them, their 2200 on an SAT is the same as someone who scored a 2200 coming from a broken home with no money and no support.

So yeah, I think SOME consideration on that front is fair, but we need to be careful on how much that affects admissions decisions.

 

Agree although the same rational is probably included in a different amicus brief filed by 35 retired flag officers no longer in the chain of command (see links below).
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-1199/232531/20220801183329801_20-1199 and 21-707_Brief of Amici Curiae Former Military Leaders.pdf
https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...urt-to-uphold-affirmative-action-in-colleges/

 

No doubt there are other factors that help people get into schools: varsity letters, extracurricular activities, volunteer work. But generally speaking those things don’t help much if one has below average grades and scores.

Also, point taken that people with more resources can afford tutors and classes to help improve the metrics of their children. I agree that’s an advantage. Those same people can also pay for camps, trainers, nutritionists, etc for their kids whom they want to earn an athletic scholarship. Also an advantage. But if their kids just don’t got it, then none of that is going to going to be decisive.

 

Bull crap! What about the student that grew up in a wealthy family but had learning disabilities or maybe a little lower IQ and made grades slightly lower than yours? Don't they deserve a break because they had to work harder than your kid......Where and how do you draw that line you want drawn. To me it is just like the business world. You want the best qualified person who is most likely to succeed, to hell with race, to hell with background. Give me the best qualified, period.

 

Asian students are too successful (despite obstacles many of them also faced coming from other countries).
Progressives and teachers unions don't like that.

 

Not in my view or experience. Anything that increases "performance" on a metric will have marginal impact. It won't move you to the top, but it can and does move many to above the threshold for much greater lifetime opportunities.

 

Also coming

 

Maybe. I think the higher the test scores, though, the greater the likelihood of academic success.

 

I just explained how it is. At least it is among those who actually apply to UF. UF receives far fewer applications from black students than from white students, data provided by the state university system shows. In 2020, the equivalent of roughly 30% of the state's white high school graduates applied for fall admission at UF, but less than 10% of their black peers did. Again, Asian-Americans are the only race trending in direct correlation to their percentage of the population. Everyone else is trending less. Yet, Asian-Americans only make up 6% of the student body. How many Asian-Americans should we bump for African-Americans with lower test scores?

 

If I recall they actually determined having a distinctively black name didn't effect your economic future. I could be misremembering though.

 

Generally, I agree - the percentages agree too. However, I have taught some truly brilliant kids who were lousy test takers. One girl comes to mind. She barely got accepted to FSU. She studied Pre-Med and finished near the top of the class. Johns Hopkins Med School near the top of her class. She is now doing her pediatric cardiologist residency at John's Hopkins.

She got a 1010 on the SAT.

Very much the exception and not the rule.

 

Good example of what I was wondering. Seems to me that a broader disparate impact analysis would preclude schools from considering legacy status - either positively or negatively?

 

I don't doubt you and appreciate that standardized tests are somewhat unique, but it's counter-intuitive to me that she's such a bad test taker yet was at the top of her classes at the college and graduate levels. Maybe she did really poorly on the reading (non-math and science) sections of the SAT? I could see how that could happen.

 

Let’s race.. some people get a 50lb weight to carry and others get no weights to carry… the top 10 proceed to college.. oh, you finished in 11th with a 50lb weight? You lazy entitled fool you don’t deserve college.