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Supreme Court rejects affirmative action at colleges, says schools can’t consider race in admission

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorGrowl, Jun 29, 2023.

  1. channingcrowderhungry

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  2. WC53

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    Good thing is they said legacy admissions help diversity.
     
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  3. danmanne65

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    I thought reservations had an entirely separate court system.
     
  4. channingcrowderhungry

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    Good question. On a lot of bid submission forms it will ask if the business is female owned/minority owned/veteran owned, etc.
     
  5. uftaipan

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    On tribal lands, yes. I thought the poster was referring to areas of the reservation (so to speak).
     
  6. dynogator

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    What's wrong with merit-based, color-blind admissions?
     
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  7. mrhansduck

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    Again, haven't read it yet, but I am wondering if the Court is wrestling with whether the goal of racial diversity in military academies presents national security implications which arguably require greater deference to the executive branch and/or military leaders. A potential concession that racial diversity and the need for diverse applicants are vital and survive strict scrutiny would be interesting in several ways. Also, it seems that the executive branch and military leaders might take different positions on such issues and the government's position on it could change depending on who's in office.
     
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  8. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    I agree that it was a matter of time before this ruling. But ... UF is currently 6 percent black.I'd hate to see it drop much.
    I'd hope that background is a big factor in admissions - family situation, income, education ....
     
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  9. OklahomaGator

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    Yes they do, they are considered a sovereign nation but all federal laws apply to them and their property.
     
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  10. okeechobee

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    They have a lot of autonomy, let's put it that way. For example: under EEOC laws, obviously, those ads stating "Indian preference will be observed" would be highly illegal. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) partners with Tribal Employment Rights Offices (TEROs). The TEROs operate under a different set of laws.
     
  11. OklahomaGator

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    Yes, but this ruling could impact TEROs
     
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  12. uftaipan

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    They did? Or was that sarcasm? The legacy BS is one of the things that absolutely has to change in higher education. I’m sick of certain families, Democrats and Republicans, getting their below-average children into top-notch schools on the basis of their name.
     
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  13. okeechobee

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    Why? If it wasn't for foreign students with visas attending UF, the demographic breakdown of the University would be pretty close to the actual population breakdown of the state. There is a 12% smaller portion of whites attending UF versus state census % of whites. Asians are about equal to census %, but if there is a higher density of superior students within the Asian population, that makes perfect sense.
     
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  14. mrhansduck

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    I will be curious to read if they address legacies, for example, which are facially race-neutral but likely have disproportionate racial outcomes. Presumably, if a school decides to give all non-legacy applicants additional points (which could be conversely stated as putting legacy students at a relative disadvantage), that would be facially race-neutral but would probably amount to a relative disadvantage to White applicants since they, as a group, will be more likely to have great-grandparents, grandparents, or parents who were alumni. What level of equal protection scrutiny would that entail?
     
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  15. rivergator

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    Just a gut feeling that it ought to be at least somewhat representative of the state.
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    Other than being a total fantasy and the vagueness of 'merit' when it comes to attending an elite college, nothing I guess
     
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    The current racial demographics of an institution should have no bearing on racial preferences regarding future admissions.
     
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    I think that is one of the reasons so many are cheering.
     
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  20. uftaipan

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    Yes, but if you made that rule for one race, then you would have to make it for all of them. Next thing you know you are capping the proportion of Asian students. And to your point about reflecting the demographics of the state, how do you factor in the out-of-state and foreign students into that equation?
     
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