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Police Coverups, Conspiracies, and Cost to Taxpayers

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    Two officers jail 3 year old for pooping his pants. One of the officers previously jailed a 4 year old. The city is fighting to keep this in the dark and records from the public.

    DAYTONA BEACH SHORES, Fla. – A 3½-year-old child having difficulty getting potty trained was brought to a Florida public safety department on successive days last October and placed in jail, a high-ranking officer told a caseworker during an interview. On the second occasion, Oct. 6, 2022, the child was also handcuffed.

    Approximately nine years earlier, he said a 4-year-old boy misbehaving at preschool was similarly disciplined.

    Mark Dickinson, a former South Daytona police officer who now calls himself a civil-rights activist and goes by the Internet handle of James Madison Audits, requested the Volusia County Sheriff's Office body-cam footage from the Division of Children and Families interview and posted it on YouTube in March.

    When he requested the findings of the professional standards investigation against Schoenbrod and Long, Dickinson said he was sent an estimate of $3,398.40 − approximately 40 hours of work at $84.96 per hour − to review and redact the materials.

    Florida officers investigated for jailing child for potty troubles
     
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    Accountability! I commend the swift action taken against 3 officers. Doesn't really fall under conspiracies and coverups, but there will be a lawsuit, so it fits in this thread.

    RIP to the deceased, but the positive news is that three officers are being charged with murder. All three opened fire on a woman who was inside her home and they were outside. They fired through a locked door and a window that was blocked by a TV. The threat of imminent danger? She was inside her house with a weapon. The weapon? A hammer. Yep. All the shot at the lady, from outside of her house, because of a hammer inside the house.

    3 San Antonio officers charged with murder in fatal shooting of woman at her apartment | CNN

    But seconds later, Perez “advanced toward the window again while still holding the hammer, and all three officers opened fire,” McManus said.

    More than a dozen shots are heard on the body camera video. Perez was struck at least twice, McManus said. Officers “attempted life-saving measures,” the arrest warrant said, but Perez died at the scene.

    Although she was allegedly approaching the officers with a hammer when they opened fire, the arrest warrant said Perez “did not pose an imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death when she was shot because the defendants had a wall, a window blocked by a television, and a locked door between them.”

    Perez’s children, who range in age from 9 to 24 years old, are have been struck with “incomprehensible grief” following their mothers’ death, the family’s attorney, Dan Packard, told CNN Monday.

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    See this is what I'm talking about. I have intimate knowledge of this situation and the people involved. The cops on the road are getting heckled and denigrated on social media for the actions of 3 corrupt douchebags. I no longer work part time for that department specifically because of the 2 subject to the investigation as well as their new chief who has been in their administration under different positions for several years. 90% of the men and women working there just try to do their jobs and go home. Over the years I was there as a part time fire/medic they had some cops processed out sometimes for good reason but also, many were targeted and railroaded out for various reasons.

    The couple in question have had positions made for them because of their close relationships to the current as well as former chiefs. They have burned so many friendships and careers of former friends and employees through ruthless backstabbing and ass kissing to get their positions despite being incompetent in their other roles.

    Stand up to them and you get slapped with some BS internal investigation that ends up with a forced resignation or termination. NO way in hell any other people in that department get those accusations swept under the rug. None. As an aside, it's not a right vs left thing either as the former chief was a staunch Trump hater and he and the current chief are very liberal politically. I mention it because I was always surprised with how some of their operations were contrary to their political leanings.

    So the actions of 3 cult members in the department have jeopardized the reputation and well being of an overwhelming majority of entry level and lower ranked decent officers.
     
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    Do you, or did you, know Mark Dickinson, the former officer that runs the James Madison Audits YouTube channel? I enjoy his videos. When I get some time, I'm going to look at his coverage of it. Getting charged almost $3,400 for the findings of an IA investigation is outrageous. Also, I appreciate your contributions. It's always good to hear from somone from the inside.
     
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    Not familiar until recently. I appreciate auditors to an extent. I'm not a fan of the ones that antagonize cops but I definitely support rooting out the bad ones. My frustrations with criticism of police is generally towards the all or nothing mentality many approach it with. I see way too many situations where administration, department policy, city polic, laws etc contribute to a bad situation while the average officers are the ones who bear the brunt of the fallout.

    The way I see it, bad cops, incompetent cops or just decent cops overwhelmed by bad situations can and should be addressed by leadership before any significant damage can be done. Instead, the system is set for power or money hungry people who do the job for the wrong reasons to gain rank and status through a cycle of reward for ass kissing and relationship building. End result is there is no proper accountability from the top down as the overwhelming majority of those in power are more concerned with things like pay, title, ego and retirement. And thank you.
     
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    One more thing to add. I can name at least 5 to 10 great people whoe were good cops that left the department or the field because of the structure in that department, specifically, the couple in question and their current chief. It's bad for everybody.
     
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    I appreciate the auditors, and like you, not a fan of the in your face approach. To me, no one quite does it like Jeff Gray (HonorYourOath Civil Rights Investigations), who is also from Florida. He works mostly around Florida and Georgia and basically just stands in public, mostly on public sidewalks, with a simple sign that says "God bless the homeless vets." He does not ask for money, that I've seen. When cops confront him, he basically says "God put it in my heart to spread the message." In an interview recently, he said he has been arrested 14 times, and the charges have been dropped 12 times. I may not be exactly right on for those figures, but it's very close.

    I also don't think all cops are bad. Hell, I don't think most are bad. I do think there is a lack of accountability. And like you said, if you do raise issues about fellow officers, there will be repercussions. I find it outstanding when you see video of an officer behaving badly, and another officer intervenes, whether it's telling them to chill out, or informing them that what they are doing is wrong. I.E. "I know you don't like what he's doing, but he isn't technically breaking the law." Those officers need to be in leadership positions. It's quite refreshing when someone comes on scene with clear knowledge of the law combined with de-escalation techniques. We need more of that. On the flip side, it's disappointing when an officer is in the wrong, chooses to escalate the situation, a civilian requests a supervisor, and the supervisor shows up and escalates it even more, almost making it a point to go even harder than the first officer. We need less of that. I know it's a tough job, and I respect those that can enforce the law in a civil, fair way.
     
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    While I believe it's necessary at times, the idea of "proactive policing" needs to be overhauled significantly in my opinion. That along with a number of other training issues and a more structured re-evaluation of people at every rank. Generally speaking though, administrations in many fields of work aren't interested in any real evolution or progress. Status quo is much easier.
     
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    Speak of the devil. This video was posted by Mark Dickinson aka James Masison Audits about Daytona Beach Shores 1 hour ago. I have not watched it but I'm going to start now and listen to it on my drive home. Considering we were literally just talking about it, I thought you may be interested.

     
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    I'm going to have to watch again. I have the windows out of the jeep and couldn't hear anything other than Mark.
     
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    This guy is the worst because he is tactful. This is their new chief. The old chief was a really nice person but he let Fowler run it for the last few years before he retired. Now it's fowler and the Two sycophants. I'm interested in watching this to see how objective it is. Thanks
     
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    I watched it. Not much. Just a run around. The front desk clerk is a very nice lady but she is caught in the cross hairs of her supervisor. Validates the anger I had when I saw this finally come to light because Mike fowler jeopardized the integrity and well being of so many people over Mike Schoenbrode and Jessica Long by trying to cover this up for them. I'll reiterate, this would not happen for 95% of the rest of the dept or city. I've personally witnessed them drum up Investigations for someone chewing dip or writing someone up for leaving their patrol car unlocked even though it was in the secured lot at the station during shift change at which time the vehicle was just turned over to the oncoming officer. I could go on. Petty stuff but they weren't in the club so to speak. Meanwhile, he's willing to burn the whole place down over these two.....

    Some people weren't cut out to be cops and I've seen some people come and rightfully be sent on their way but the list of quality people pushed out specifically by these 3 is just as long.
     
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    I just finished watching it now that I can hear it. I agree, not a whole lot. Seems like some evasiveness. The charge for the records still sticks out like a sore thumb. It sucks for the rest of the department because to the general public, like myself, it looks like a cover up and just begs the question, what else is there? Can they be trusted with transparency in general?
     
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    I'll say this. It's a public safety department so their cops are triple trained as firefighters and emt/medics. They respond to medical calls with the fire engine. The customer service they provide is top notch. I've had officers literally assist on scenes with helping an elderly person finish their shower to clean up after falling but refusing transport to a hospital. I've seen them help people get home or serve paperwork instead of arresting a minority because his girlfriend was pregnant and jail was the last thing they needed yet they were called racist. They suck at fire response but they try.

    They have had some shady characters come through there too. I had a run in with one years ago and avoided working there until the douchebag left the department. They certainly aren't perfect but overall they are a great bunch of people there on the road. Much better than they used to be when they had a much worse reputation.
     
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    It is and it isn't. Their fire protection is sub par in that model but their police and medical response is excellent when they aren't in a staffing crisis like they have been because of turnover directly related to these douchebags
     
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    This one is old so it may have been covered. But I didn't see anything about it in a search. He literally could not hear the commands that they roughed him up for disobeying


    A deaf Colorado man has filed a federal lawsuit claiming that two local police officers slammed him to the ground and tasered him without recognizing his disability when they arrested him after stopping him for running a stop sign.

    The charges against Mistic, which include second-degree assault on a police officer and resisting arrest, were eventually dropped, according to the lawsuit. Mistic was also charged with criminal possession of a forged instrument after Summers found what appeared to be 24 $100 bills in his wallet, which she said felt like they were made of printer paper with Chinese symbols on the back of the bill, according to the police report. According to the lawsuit, the bills were “fake movie-prop money with Chinese characters from Wish.com,” which is an online marketplace. “Possessing play money without any intent or attempt to pass it off as real money is not a crime,” the filing says.

    Mistic was held in jail for four months with an extremely high bond due to the serious nature of the charges and could not pay his bail, according to his attorney Raymond Bryant. Mistic’s bond was first lowered to $3,000, which he still could not afford, and then he was granted a personal recognizance bond, releasing him from jail without having to post any money, Raymond said.

    The prosecution against Mistic continued for almost two years until District Attorney Heidi McCollum moved to dismiss his charges in July. In the lawsuit, Mistic claims he was denied an interpreter while in jail.




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