Antisemitic rally touring Georgia

Lol. No it isn't. You make up falsehoods constantly and bail when called on them.

Actually there is a circularity to that I suppose.

 

City and Tilly paint a similar picture:

It stinks that Christians are painted as white nationalists with facist leanings.

It stinks that Democrats are painted as being queer LGBTQ radicals grooming kids.

Podcasters, Social Media and Press Scum with an agenda to spin and money to be made, always place us in these crappy little "ready for spin" boxs.

It's neither FAIR nor ACCURATE.

 

Biden had more people in circles at his rally.

 

I think most of those threads were started by our resident leftists not our resident righties and I'm quite positive if you totaled up the post totals the majority would be posts from the left.

 

Ramaswamy compares the legends about white supremacists to Big Foot.

 

The posts are driven up on trans by the libbies who seem to enjoy trans people and arguing just for fun.
Anti semitism is a no story. The pubs aren’t disagreeing that it’s repugnant.

 

Tampa -
I am a virulent anti Trump Democrat.
So my post needs further clarification.

Millions, MILLIONS of American voters have what many consider extremist views as characterized in my previous post.

BUT - Tens TENS OF MILLIONS of American voters are more middle of the road and don't like being associated with many of the things that the extremists insist with politicizing.

There are efforts by both parties, to develop bipartisan agreement on certain policies that make sense for both sides, in the true spirit of Democracy, and not for self promotion and photo ops.

We have to much in common and too much to lose, so very much, not to rise above partisan divide, work together and prosper.

Or not.

I would like to think that this Gov't and people will keep the promise of American Democracy alive and well.

 

Agree with everything you said. I just don't think the two are remotely equivalent, and Doug J. Balloon had an amusing illustration of the point. It's been called high Broderism or both-sideism. It's the favorite rhetorical trick of certain prominent posters and it usually makes no sense when examined at anything beyond the most superficial.

On the one side you have a charge that various elected officials are happy to adopt and celebrate, including the 45th President, who is currently the most popular member of his party. On the other hand you have a slur with no basis in reality asserted in political vitriol, nothing more. They both can be misused, but there is no true equivalence. Not remotely close. About as close as the current President's use of a CPAP to his predecessor's disclosure of classified documents in terms of Presidential "scandals".

 

Tampa,
It is truly disheartening to have lived through 2016-2020 and having to deal with the aftermath.

I am hopeful that the GOP will once again become populated by sane legislators. It's incumbent on the voters. Hopefully people will wake up toward being politically active, particularly if you live in a district with the MTG types.

 

We all live in such districts. In fact, over the course of a district with hundreds of thousands of voters, you likely have the full political spectrum represented by at least a few. Just the way things work.

 

That makes for a nice soundbite, but it fails logically because it assumes only one possible reason for the person remaining at the table. There could be many reasons for remaining at the table, including the following:

The 10th person was already at the table and the group of Nazis invaded it, and the person was already eating and couldn’t get up and move to another table because all seats were taken.

The 10th person intended to argue with the Nazis.

The 10th person hoped to engage the Nazis and show them the error of their ways.

The 10th person wanted to listen in the name of “know thine enemy.”

Person in a wheelchair was waiting for someone to bring the wheelchair over so that they could leave.

The show was about to begin and there were no other available seats to move to.

The possibilities go on. The original statement might sound clever, but it has no real meaning.

 

You're taking it too literally. Plus the numbers are usually reversed with one Nazi sitting at a table with nine others.

There's some debate as to the authenticity of it as a German aphorism but I suspect it's accurate because it resembles history, at least crudely, as a metaphor, which is the way it's supposed to be understood.

The Nazis didn't win a majority but only a plurality, but they were brought into the government under the presumption that they could be controlled from the inside. The rest is history, at least after the Reichstag fire.

What you're supposed to take from it is that when Nazis are part of your coalition, even a minority part, your coalition is Nazi. The thought that you can bring them in and give them some power, thinking that you can control them, is fallacious.

The analogy here is that the crude Nazi white nationalist, white supremacist portion is admittedly a minority of elected Representatives but has a lot of popular support and seems to be exercising disproportionate power, if not full control of the party, at least not yet.

 

I agree with most of what you’re saying here, but that’s taking an awful lot out of a short soundbite. In fact, in the soundbite, the Nazis are the majority and someone is deemed to be a Nazi merely because they don’t get up and leave. That is the logic I was arguing against.

 

Fair enough. But the "meaning" is along another track

 

It's newsworthy because of THIS:

"Trump’s rise has reshaped the GOP, driving out some of its constituent elements while bringing in previously excluded factions, the ranks of which include virulent antisemites. The lessons of Hitler’s Germany have been badly overapplied, so it is important to contextualize these events carefully. The GOP may not be an antisemitic party. Indeed, it has managed to maintain a big tent that includes both Jewish ultrahawks like Miriam Adelson and their most paranoid enemies. Nevertheless, it has become a party in which antisemitism has gained a foothold. No recent development in American life has done more to throw American Jews’ safety and civic equality into doubt.

The GOP’s Surrender to the Antisemites

You should read the entire article, there is a lot more in there, but the point in the above paragraph stands on its own. Even when you minimize the importance of a decidedly small Nazi rally, you are passively, and I am sure unintentionally, helping the cause by lowering the level of vigilance such movements require in order for them to be stopped dead in their tracks. I know your heart is in the right place, but no tolerance or minimization of their importance should be given to ANY of these goonish groups of fools, even small ones, because even a little bit of tolerance emboldens them and others.

Here's another selection from the above article:

"Trump resurrected Buchanan’s strain of populist nationalism. He’s always nurtured business relations and personal ties with Jewish people, but his revival of “America First” — both the slogan and the ideas surrounding it — inevitably excited antisemites. In 2016, he tweeted out an image using a Star of David to symbolize Hillary Clinton’s 'corruption.' The Trump campaign tweeted an altered version after an outcry but then ran an ad in the campaign’s closing days decrying 'a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities' coupled with images of Janet Yellen, George Soros, and Lloyd Blankfein — all of whom are financial figures who happen to be Jewish."

My gosh, the most influential GOP member of the House of Representatives, the one who drives their agenda the most, is white nationalist, racist, antisemitic Marjorie Taylor Green.

It should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago. For instance, look at this:

"Who remembers how, in 2018 and just days before the deadliest attack on Jewish people in US history, a prominent US politician tweeted: “We cannot allow Soros, Steyer, and Bloomberg to BUY this election!”? The tweet was widely – and correctly – understood as dangerously antisemitic, particularly heinous in a period of rising anti-Jewish hatred. And whose tweet was this? If you thought the answer was Minnesota’s Democratic representative Ilhan Omar then, well, you’d be wrong. The author was none other than the House majority leader at the time, Republican Kevin McCarthy.

Or this:

"Then there’s former president Donald Trump, who dines with Holocaust deniers like Nick Fuentes and antisemites like Ye. In stereotypically anti-Jewish moves, Trump has repeatedly called the loyalty of Jewish Americans into question. Just this past October, he wrote that 'U.S. Jews have to get their act together and appreciate what they have in Israel – Before it is too late!'”

Republicans have a serious antisemitism problem. It isn’t Ilhan Omar | Moustafa Bayoumi

ANY tolerance helps the haters, even if you don't want the tolerance to help them!

 

It truly is amazing to me that you lefties have worked yourself up into such an echo chamber that you actually believe the dribble you spout. Do you really think the GOP is embracing Nazi's and antisemitism?
Amazing!! No wonder this country can't hardly move forward and is so divided when you can make yourself believe this kind of dribble.