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Mass deforestation needed in North America

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Jun 28, 2023.

  1. okeechobee

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    We need to grant massive deforestation to big lumber and other projects to mitigate the wildfire situation enveloping our continent. This includes sections of national and state park land. The ecosystems will suffer more in the end if we don’t mitigate the wildfire contagion which keeps growing each year.
     
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  2. G8R92

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    We need to follow Finland's example and rake all the leaves up from the forests.
     
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  3. docspor

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    what's with CINO's fascination with prohibition?
     
  4. sierragator

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    cutting all the forests down is an incredibly stupid and shortsighted idea.
     
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  5. mdgator05

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    If you cut down all the trees, there can't be forest fires. No possible issues with not having forests, of course.

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  6. okeechobee

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    Who asked for cutting “all the forests” down? Your straw man out the gate tells me you are already going to lie on this issue.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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  8. mdgator05

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    Yeah, it isn't like grasslands have fires or anything. It would take 5 seconds of basic thought to realize what a terrible idea this is. I wonder how much nonsense you will spew to avoid that five seconds of thought.
     
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  9. docspor

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    Went backpacking for the 1st time in years.

    mon nite site. there are only 2 sites. lake Verna

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    yesterday, we broke camp & hiked down to lone pine lake where my wife sez she had a bar of reception. I filtered lake water to make coffee, then patiently held my phone over my head to get ESPN to load. Unfortunately I did not get to celebrate a UF natty in a lovely spot.

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    SAVE THE FORESTS!
     
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  10. BigCypressGator1981

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    I asked Chatgpt about what effect deforestation has on wildfires. This is the answer.

    Deforestation can have significant effects on wildfires, generally increasing the risk and severity of fire incidents. Here are the key ways in which deforestation can impact wildfires:

    1. Increased Fuel Load: Deforestation removes trees and vegetation, leading to an accumulation of dry biomass, such as fallen leaves, branches, and other debris, on the forest floor. This buildup of flammable material increases the fuel load, providing ample resources for wildfires to spread and intensify.

    2. Altered Microclimate: Forests help regulate local microclimates by providing shade, moisture, and influencing wind patterns. Deforestation disrupts these natural mechanisms, leading to changes in temperature, humidity, and wind flow. These alterations can create drier and hotter conditions, making an area more susceptible to wildfires.

    3. Loss of Firebreaks: Forests often act as natural firebreaks due to their composition and structure. When deforestation occurs, these protective barriers are eliminated, allowing fires to spread more easily across the landscape. Without the presence of natural firebreaks, wildfires can rapidly advance and cover larger areas.

    4. Soil Degradation: Tree roots play a vital role in soil stabilization and moisture retention. Deforestation disrupts this process, causing soil erosion and degradation. Soil exposed to the elements becomes drier and less capable of retaining moisture, increasing the flammability of the area. The loss of vegetation cover also reduces the capacity of the soil to absorb and retain water, exacerbating the risk of wildfires.

    5. Disrupted Ecosystem Dynamics: Deforestation disrupts the ecological balance within an ecosystem. Removal of tree species can alter the composition and structure of the remaining vegetation, affecting the habitat and foraging patterns of animals. These changes can result in shifts in biodiversity, including the loss of fire-adaptive species that play a role in fire resilience.

    6. Feedback Loop with Climate Change: Deforestation contributes to climate change by releasing significant amounts of stored carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. As global temperatures rise due to greenhouse gas emissions, the risk of wildfires also increases. The combination of deforestation and climate change can create a feedback loop, where wildfires release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, exacerbating the warming effect and further increasing the risk of fires.

    It is important to note that the specific impact of deforestation on wildfires can vary depending on the location, climate, and local ecological factors. However, overall, deforestation tends to enhance the likelihood and severity of wildfires, underscoring the importance of sustainable land management practices and conservation efforts to mitigate these risks.
     
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  11. sierragator

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    You were the one who used the term "mass deforestation" Einstein.
     
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    In case anyone was still on the fence about the OP being a troll, this should remove the last bit of doubt.
     
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  14. VAg8r1

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    The suggestion was a very feeble attempt at humor. Although I'm sure that the OP wouldn't agree using his logic we could end all mass shootings in this country as well as the overwhelming majority of homicides and suicides by banning guns and while we're at it we could end almost all traffic fatalities by banning the private ownership of cars not to mention the majority of air pollution.
     
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    US forest service has not done a good job of maintaining our woodlands. More control burns, more select harvesting/ more attention to old growth that is dying. Instead we end up with large swaths of forest with too much dead in the ground, too thick of timber stand for healthy tees and no control burns to clear debris out. When a forest fire happens it has tons of fuel at the ready for it to devour.
     
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    Back in the 90s when Stanton Energy plant built their solar field I was doing the footing inspections. One of the engineers was bragging about how the field would light up 500 homes. I told him to tell that to the animals that just lost 300 acres of prime Florida woodlands.
     
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    Yeah, but ChatGPT is intellectual masturbation for libs. :emoji_upside_down::emoji_upside_down:
     
  18. okeechobee

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    Well, "mass" doesn't mean "all", Sherlock. And "mass" in this case is obviously relative to the current rate of deforestation. But it still needs to be done in a targeted way. As others have said, controlled burns. Creating some lanes of clear, so there are firewalls layered in. Or I suppose we could simply allow nature to take its course and burn what it does, but the problem with that is you have a lot of people who will lose their homes. Also, allowing lumber companies to go in and profiteer from the project. Wasn't too long ago we had a massive spike in lumber costs which drove a lot of inflation. It's still not pretty. Probably not a bad idea.

    Otherwise, what you're going to have is more people losing their homes. Ecosystems vastly disrupted. And smoke in your forecast.
     
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  19. okeechobee

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    100% serious. If it's done in a targeted way, but still on a mass scale, that will buy us 20 or 30 years before we have to do it all over again. It'll help bring down lumber costs. Cheaper building costs. Something we could really use right now.
     
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    Lots of immigrants still coming. Let’s give them jobs raking the forests. Pay minimum wage and let them collect the pine straw to be sold for flowerbeds to make extra money.

    Add a rake the forest tax to pay for it.

    Brilliant idea that solves our immigration issues.

    :)
     
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